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sycophantia said:
Going to the Motorcycle show at the NEC on Thursday, we gotta show vaccine passes there, be interested to see how it works
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Was at a show in the NEC about 6 weeks ago, had to show passes and to be honest was no great hassel, well organised took about 5 mins to get through, they just looked at the phone and then let you through.
 
I’m resigned to the fact that the nearly three weeks leave I’ve kept back this year to take a break abroad in the hope things were returning to normal isn’t going to happen now. I really wouldn’t want to risk going away and the return to the UK test being positive. Anywhere sunny in the UK worth going to for a fortnight in January?!
 
SSB said:
I’m resigned to the fact that the nearly three weeks leave I’ve kept back this year to take a break abroad in the hope things were returning to normal isn’t going to happen now. I really wouldn’t want to risk going away and the return to the UK test being positive. Anywhere sunny in the UK worth going to for a fortnight in January?!
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Papper said:
The global march to a vaccine passport is unabated and will not be reversed.

Which is fair enough if you believe in a society where the state decides what is put into your body else you lose your job and cease being a social being. The minority group is diverse (see the protests globally ) and they will be tagged as the outcasts/unwashed/selfish bastards. This minority group will grow not least when they see the clamour to vaccinate five year olds or realise their own immune system is more than enough to keep them alive or that the jab doesn't stop transmission - reported as 37%. Get jabbed and be free they were told. Yeah, right ... the double jabbed will join the ranks of the unwashed if they don't do number 3, 4, 5 etc etc

The NHS is always overwhelmed this time of year and those vulnerable to respiratory illness are the old, overweight and/or suffering from underlying illness (regardless of their labels). The waiting lists are further exasperated by GP's being told to prioritise the jabbing of the fit and healthy, yet cannot see many vulnerable people face to face. The fallout from lockdown in terms of those undiagnosed and those suffering mental health issues will be catastrophic.


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What's the answer then?

We need to pick one from vaccinations, mitigations or deaths.
 
AndyWolves said:
What's the answer then?

We need to pick one from vaccinations, mitigations or deaths.
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When you say mitigation, does that essentially mean potentially another lockdown? As a society we need to accept there will be deaths. The mitigation should be vaccinations and building up the NHS capacity to be able to cope.

I posted on here before about how the lockdowns destroyed my son's mental health, I was genuinely worried I might lose him at one point. He's 14 and he won't be the only one. There's an assumption it seems that lockdowns are the humane way to approach things, but if there's another one, that might be it for him. It's taken months but he's slowly improving, if we lockdown again I don't know what will happen, he'll be going into it from a much much lower base than when it all began.

I feel like I'm always on here going mad about it all and people might think I'm some sort of nutcase, but I honestly feel sick at the thought of us going back into another lockdown. It's just hard to accept that potentially my son's life might be sacrificed for mainly older, vulnerable people who've had already had alot of their life. I suppose it's like that thought experiment of if your child was on a railway track and potentially faced death, how many people you'd never met would there have to be on the other track for you not to redirect the train.

It just seems like as long as the restrictions suit them and their families, alot of people are happy to go along with them, whilst also calling anyone who speaks out against them as callous and uncaring. It's not a binary choice between harm on one hand and no harm on the other. It always seems like in the media and elsewhere, the push is for more restrictions/lockdowns, and no one is speaking for the people that it might destroy. I'm sorry if this post comes across as selfish, but it's just a massive source of worry for me at the minute.
 
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Eloquently said Wolfman 👍

We‘ve had 263 days of hard lockdown in Melbourne (world record). I’m pretty resilient but the last lockdown of 77 days got me very depressed. Life is for living with the associated risks, not living under a doona for the rest of our lives.
 
As soon as we get into a discussion that deals in valuing one life over another, we've already lost the plot.

We have effective vaccines available to us now that seem extremely effective at reducing severity, if not always reducing transmission. For those of us can access it and want that protection, we can get it. For those who want it and don't have access, we need to do everything in our power to make access available to them.

To those who don't want it... Go with god, and understand that your decision affects everyone around you.
 
AndyWolves said:
What's the answer then?

We need to pick one from vaccinations, mitigations or deaths.
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Vaccinate the vulnerable and those who choose to be vaccinated.
Stop the lockdowns. Stop the restrictions. Get rid of the masks. Take the emergency powers away from the state.
Bin the insane mandatory vaccines, the quarantine facilities no jab no job and whatever other totalitarian crap they have dreamed up.

Invest heavily in promoting a healthy lifestyle to people especially children ie nutrition, exercise and creativity. Reduce obesity and you take a burden off the health service.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467160110673936390
 
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Alan said:
To those who don't want it... Go with god, and understand that your decision affects everyone around you.
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I would agree if that person was vulnerable with a high probability of hospitalisation but a healthy person who chooses not to be vaccinated does not in any way affect anybody else and should not be demonised. The viral load is the same irrespective of being jabbed or unjabbed.
 
Papper said:
Vaccinate the vulnerable and those who choose to be vaccinated.
Stop the lockdowns. Stop the restrictions. Get rid of the masks. Take the emergency powers away from the state.
Bin the insane mandatory vaccines, the quarantine facilities no jab no job and whatever other totalitarian crap they have dreamed up.

Invest heavily in promoting a healthy lifestyle to people especially children ie nutrition, exercise and creativity. Reduce obesity and you take a burden off the health service.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467160110673936390
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How are you making sure the vulnerable get vaccinated? What do you do when the uptake is low?
 
Papper said:
Vaccinate the vulnerable and those who choose to be vaccinated.
Stop the lockdowns. Stop the restrictions. Get rid of the masks. Take the emergency powers away from the state.
Bin the insane mandatory vaccines, the quarantine facilities no jab no job and whatever other totalitarian crap they have dreamed up.

Invest heavily in promoting a healthy lifestyle to people especially children ie nutrition, exercise and creativity. Reduce obesity and you take a burden off the health service.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467160110673936390
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Tl;dr - deaths
 
Papper said:
I would agree if that person was vulnerable with a high probability of hospitalisation but a healthy person who chooses not to be vaccinated does not in any way affect anybody else and should not be demonised. The viral load is the same irrespective of being jabbed or unjabbed.
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Papper said:
I would agree if that person was vulnerable with a high probability of hospitalisation but a healthy person who chooses not to be vaccinated does not in any way affect anybody else and should not be demonised. The viral load is the same irrespective of being jabbed or unjabbed.
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By definition, being unvaccinated against a highly contagious virus makes you a threat to others.

The vaccine is not just a personal choice. It is a public safety decision that affects everyone around the subject, not just the subject themselves. This must be taken into account.

The real question is, why do people distrust the vaccine? How do we show them that those concerns are not based in reputable science (or indeed, any science at all)?
 
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Balance between lockdown and deaths is a difficult one. However, the govts approach of 'oh it's just the elderly and the already ill' is fucking disgusting. Since when did my life become more important than theirs?
 
Templeton Peck said:
Public good>>>individual liberty I'm afraid. I'm always very live and let live but if you're refusing to get vaccinated you're prioritising yourself over everybody else.
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And who gets to decide what's good for the Public?
 
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