Coronavirus

[Deutsch Wolf]

So they're dropping the legal requirements for mask wearing but it is "expected" of us all to carry on.

Fuck off, you make the rules, we (mostly) play by them. Don't duck it and then blame the little folk later on. Gutless shitehawks. It either is a sensible move or it isn't, you have the data, we don't.

They never learn. It's over a year since they said "yeah pubs can stay open but don't go, please" as if that made any sense and as if it weren't obvious what would happen.

 

[Boozad]

They're utter fucking pricks.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They are cowards. Don’t want to make any unpopular decision so if it goes tits up they can blame the British public.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They can expect all they fucking like. If it isn’t mandated then my mask is getting in the sea.

 

[Kenny]

Throughout the week every minister asked said they will be binning them from the 19th. The vaccine minister then today says "you should wear them in enclosed spaces"

The issue here, again, is mixed messages. Essentially comes across as no one speaks to each other in Government. Fully expect to see a pic of Boris binning his mask on the 19th followed by a statement from elsewhere saying we should wear them.

 

[James]

Had my second moderna jab today. No adverse side effects yet but the first jab hit me later in the day so we’ll see.

 

[Freddeno]

Going up and down in all the world still, especially the Delta mutation..

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Of course it will. The first modern smallpox vaccine was devised in 1796. The disease wasn't eradicated in full until 1980. Covid is far more transmittable than smallpox ever was.

It's endemic, it'll be around forever as far as any of us are concerned. It's down to whether it kills you or not, or whether it hammers health services to the point where they can't operate. There has never been any chance of it being wiped away in no time.

 

[Tredman]

Dutch example might suggest opening nightclubs before fully vaccinating the young is a bad idea

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Quite. So fuck it, let’s get on with life without fucking masks. The deaf and hard of hearing have had enough. I have to ask people at work to lower their masks so I can communicate around noisy machinery as it is.

You want masks mandatory? Make clear masks mandatory.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Case numbers have never been an issue per se since we got a vaccine rollout though.

It's completely natural that decreasing controls + increased testing = more cases. Yeah, and?

We should start putting daily flu cases, hospitalisations and deaths up come October, see if it inspires the same reaction. I would suspect not. You'd also get fewer people choosing to be vaccinated because they've known for all their life that we just live with the flu (obviously some people *need* to be vaccinated, I am entitled to one but I haven't bothered since 2015, I'm only technically at risk).

 

[machin05]

Some (anecdotal) reports that ICUs are full again. All covid.

 

[AndyWolves]

Some (anecdotal) reports that ICUs are full again. All covid.

This is what concerns me, the capacity of the NHS. No idea how we provided the capacity at the last peak and how far away that was from normality.

A simple change might be to stop medical staff from self isolating if they've been double jabbed (I'm pretty sure this has already been talked about).

What will become reality is that everyone will get exposed to Covid, if folk are vulnerable to Covid then they'll definitely be exposed in the coming weeks. Just hope the people who need care can get it.

 

[AndyWolves]

Current cases look like they're levelling off now which is something, all being well we'll go into the 17th with cases decreasing.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Anyone vulnerable was double vaccinated weeks if not months ago, and if they weren't then it's their own problem (and they can take their own steps to protect themselves, much as I don't mess around throwing bricks at wasp nests given that if I get stung, I'm bang in trouble with anaphylaxis).

We can't just keep shutting down and saying "a few more weeks". It makes bugger all difference in health terms either way, we are where we are. The virus is in circulation, we can't eradicate it (that's not how it works) and those who need protecting should be protected by now. There's no rationale for keeping further measures at this point.

We can't close or restrict a load of stuff because a tiny sub-section of people would like to start seeing the outside world but worry it's not safe. That isn't our collective problem.

 

[AndyWolves]

There's a difference between being vulnerable and needing help compared to being vulnerable and needing help when the NHS can't provide it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It wasn't an ideal situation when we had no vaccines, no research, no idea how to treat these people...and yet in the first and second waves of Covid, the NHS coped. Very few indicators that anyone died of Covid because the NHS simply couldn't accommodate them.

We now have tens of millions of people vaccinated. I'm not really sure what you want us to do because the virus is there even when 100% of people are vaccinated (if that's even possible, which it almost certainly isn't).

 

[AndyWolves]

It wasn't an ideal situation when we had no vaccines, no research, no idea how to treat these people...and yet in the first and second waves of Covid, the NHS coped. Very few indicators that anyone died of Covid because the NHS simply couldn't accommodate them.

We now have tens of millions of people vaccinated. I'm not really sure what you want us to do because the virus is there even when 100% of people are vaccinated (if that's even possible, which it almost certainly isn't).

Mainly because any folk from retirement homes with covid were sent back to retirement homes.

Make sure that the planned restriction rollback doesn't overwhelm our NHS, that's all I'm saying. If it does or will then we shouldnt rollback restrictions. Hearing that ICUs are already at capacity doesn't bode well.

I'm sure we will be fine, but the lack of anything official makes me wonder what they're expecting.

 

[BillyDee]

It's the case that we are where we are. We could have been in a better situation, but we are led by donkeys. If we don't do it now, it will be worse if we do it in the Autumn. Or then we don't do it till next year...

 

[leedswolf]

Some (anecdotal) reports that ICUs are full again. All covid.

Where? Currently leeds has 29 covid patients in hospital, 3 on ventilation.