Bristol City 1 - 2 Wolves: Verdict thread

[MARKakaJIM]

Wind your neck in. Football's a contact sport and whilst Batth's tackle could be seen as dangerous in the current climate it clearly wasn't. I did say on the match day thread that in the current day and age it was a silly thing to do and agreed with the ref.

However, my point was the tackle isn't dangerous and if match officials and law makers were educated they would know this and make decisions accordingly.

As above, straight lunge means studs have to be shown, if he tries to swipe across the ball he'd be leading with the top of his foot to begin with and wouldn't be plowing straight towards the Bristol player on the follow through. It's a poor attempt at a challenge both from the point of view of dealing with the ball and safety of the players involved.

The ball was too far gone for Batth to really achieve anything positive but the way he went about his last ditch attempt maximised the potential for a negative outcome.

 

[Johnny75]

As above, straight lunge means studs have to be shown, if he tries to swipe across the ball he'd be leading with the top of his foot to begin with and wouldn't be plowing straight towards the Bristol player on the follow through. It's a poor attempt at a challenge both from the point of view of dealing with the ball and safety of the players involved.

The ball was too far gone for Batth to really achieve anything positive but the way he went about his last ditch attempt maximised the potential for a negative outcome.

Think you're spot on there Mark. Happy New year to you.

 

[The Bear]

Lets all agree to disagree.

This argument is SO last year.

 

[Alan]

Lets all agree to disagree.

This argument is SO last year.

Still 2017 where I am...

 

[AndyWolves]

Lets all agree to disagree.

This argument is SO last year.

Post of 2018

 

[Tredman]

Given Puncheon got a yellow for his 'tackle' yesterday I fully expect Danny's red to be rescinded and him to get a pat on the back.

 

[Peter_Knowles_Ghost]

Given Puncheon got a yellow for his 'tackle' yesterday I fully expect Danny's red to be rescinded and him to get a pat on the back.

Couldn't have put it better ...

 

[playtheace]

Think Saiss had better stop those sliding challenges he does in every match from now on.
His studs must show every time

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Think Saiss had better stop those sliding challenges he does in every match from now on.
His studs must show every time

Only if he goes in like a moron, it's easily possible to slide without going in studs first.

 

[Tony Towner]

Force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge...if I type it enough times will people understand why he was sent off? Nothing to do with winning the ball, nothing to do with being over the ball, nothing to do with studs showing. If you don't believe it is a red then fair enough, but for Christ's sake at least understand why he was sent off

 

[Johnny75]

Force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge, force of challenge...if I type it enough times will people understand why he was sent off? Nothing to do with winning the ball, nothing to do with being over the ball, nothing to do with studs showing. If you don't believe it is a red then fair enough, but for Christ's sake at least understand why he was sent off

I don't think people dispute the force of the challenge. My point is that it's bollocks and people simply don't understand that. Look at Puncheon's challenge and then compare it to Batth's and look at which one is more dangerous.

Hint: A blind side strike is always much more dangerous than one player's can see. Down to us having binocular vision, natural hunters and a sense of danger honed over several million years.

 

[PuntsWolf]

You don’t slide in head on with an opponent these days. Unless you are doing what marks says and hook it away. Even then you are not lunging. It looks bad in real time as there is too much force (just for you TT). And how you can say it’s not dangerous is crazy. Goes in full pelt on his ankle.

I’m struggling with how some people normally talk a lot of sense on here about stuff but are really missing the point with this one.

 

[Johnny75]

You don’t slide in head on with an opponent these days. Unless you are doing what marks says and hook it away. Even then you are not lunging. It looks bad in real time as there is too much force (just for you TT). And how you can say it’s not dangerous is crazy. Goes in full pelt on his ankle.

I’m struggling with how some people normally talk a lot of sense on here about stuff but are really missing the point with this one.

So you're saying Batth aimed for his ankle?

 

[PuntsWolf]

So you're saying Batth aimed for his ankle?

Nope. But he was out of control so got his ankle. Ergo, Red card.

 

[Johnny75]

Nope. But he was out of control so got his ankle. Ergo, Red card.

Or maybe it's just two people colliding? Bit like Lukaku getting his neck broken?

Football is a contact sport and things happen very fast and people aren't always in control of their movements and they generally can't control others movement hence there are collisions.

I'll ask you the same question about diving, I presume you are OK with players throwing out their legs and initiating contact as they are in control of their movement and are 'drawing' a foul?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

His aim or otherwise is irrelevant .

 

[Johnny75]

His aim or otherwise is irrelevant .

And this is the problem, the rules are made by people who just don't know.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The rules say he was at best reckless. I just don't understand the problem people are having.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

And this is the problem, the rules are made by people who just don't know.

So do you think it should only be a red if there's intent?

 

[Tony Towner]

I don't think people dispute the force of the challenge. My point is that it's bollocks and people simply don't understand that. Look at Puncheon's challenge and then compare it to Batth's and look at which one is more dangerous.

Hint: A blind side strike is always much more dangerous than one player's can see. Down to us having binocular vision, natural hunters and a sense of danger jones over several million years.

I don't think you can compare one challenge versus another and look to judge the merits of one decision versus another. The Puncheon foul is worse, more dangerous and a clear red, you can't say the Batth one therefore isn't a red just because of an incompetent refereeing decision. Similarly you can't say the Boly handball should have been a penalty because Mike Dean gave a shocker against Chambers. As I've said previously I think Batth was a little unlucky and it wasn't a shocking challenge - Roberts' on Jota was worse for instance, but I can see why it was a red