Bristol City 1 - 2 Wolves: Verdict thread

[Alan]

Please do, I'd love to see it. Right now I don't think it was a red

 

[Tredman]

That just shows their player arriving late.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Same argument for Danny, he's not allowed to challenge because his opponent might get there late?

How is this different to when Baath got clattered in the air at our place? Baath was second to the ball and got clattered

The City player wasn't late! Batth slid in a poked the ball slightly, Bristol player essentially clears the resultant loose ball and gets caught on the follow though. Anyone would think the City player didn't even get near the ball the way people are going on about him being 'late'.

Big difference with the incident in the reverse fixture is that Batth got nowhere near the ball, City player headed the ball cleanly and Batth came clattering into him late, he got nowhere near the ball and didn't even really challenge for it.

 

[Johnny75]

Magnusson has every right to go for a 50/50 ball and not expect a hard tackle with studs on the top of his foot.

Yeah Batth won the ball but it was a stupid decision to go in like that. You catch the player and you're more likely than not to get at least a yellow.

Maybe a yellow but Batth was in control.

Slink - As football is a contact game and technique in a tackle is important, bad technique leads to injury, it's simple player education.

Also if the ref knew how the human body worked he would realise that Batth's tackle isn't dangerous and Magnusson by going in for the ball placed himself in danger and not the other way round. It makes a big difference. It's a simple education point and all top ref's should be educated. It would give them knowledge of movement which would help them with diving and hand ball decisions too.

 

[Johnny75]

The City player wasn't late! Batth slid in a poked the ball slightly, Bristol player essentially clears the resultant loose ball and gets caught on the follow though. Anyone would think the City player didn't even get near the ball the way people are going on about him being 'late'.

Big difference with the incident in the reverse fixture is that Batth got nowhere near the ball, City player headed the ball cleanly and Batth came clattering into him late, he got nowhere near the ball and didn't even really challenge for it.

Magnusson was very late as DW's screenshot shows.

 

[AndyWolves]

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That second one, BC player clears it and Baath catches him.

Yellow for me

This will run and run though

 

[Johnny75]

Put up a still at the moment of contact on Magnusson's foot and it looks very different.

I agree the ref could have given a yellow for some consistency, especially with the treatment Jota has gotten, but I still see why he gave a red.

So we should just outlaw slide tackles then as I can't see many people being able to bend the laws of physics by stopping dead when they want to/ before they make contact with anybody?

 

[Alan]

As I've said, Batth catches him with his studs ankle high. I don't know how that can't be a red.

 

[Johnny75]

As I've said, Batth catches him with his studs ankle high. I don't know how that can't be a red.

How does Batth stop himself?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Magnusson was very late as DW's screenshot shows.

He was clearing a loose ball! Batth had lost control of it and the touch of the ball as his slid made no difference to that, the City player isn't entering into a tackle so in no way can he be late.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

How does Batth stop himself?

He can't, he's out of control, that's the issue and why he found himself in trouble.

 

[Johnny75]

He was clearing a loose ball! Batth had lost control of it and the touch of the ball as his slid made no difference to that, the City player isn't entering into a tackle so in no way can he be late.

Batth won the ball a split second earlier, how can you not see this?

And I'll ask the same question to you, how does Batth stop himself?

 

[Johnny75]

He can't, he's out of control, that's the issue and why he found himself in trouble.

How can you not see he won the ball? Is Batth not allowed to compete for the ball now? Shall we make football non-contact?

 

[Alan]

How does Batth stop himself?

Keeps his foot lower, doesn't make the challenge to begin with, something. I just can't imagine a scenario catching someone studs up on their ankle (sliding in at full speed no less) isn't a red.

Batth may have been closer to the ball than Magnusson when he starts sliding but Magnusson ends up winning it anyway!

 

[Johnny75]

Keeps his foot lower, doesn't make the challenge to begin with, something. I just can't imagine a scenario catching someone studs up on their ankle (sliding in at full speed no less) isn't a red.

Batth may have been closer to the ball than Magnusson when he starts sliding but Magnusson ends up winning it anyway!

Nope, Batth wins the ball first.

 

[Alan]

Nope, Batth wins the ball first.

Even if he does (I don't see it) it doesn't change that it is a ridiculously dangerous tackle.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

How can you not see he won the ball? Is Batth not allowed to compete for the ball now? Shall we make football non-contact?

It doesn't matter that Batth touched the ball, it has zero impact on it's travel and so doesn't prevent the City player clearing it away easily! Batth can compete for anything he can do so safely, same as any other player, in that situation he doesn't.

In no way should the City player be responsible for dodging stray challenges, it's a pathetic argument akin to victim blaming to suit your point of view.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Keeps his foot lower, doesn't make the challenge to begin with, something. I just can't imagine a scenario catching someone studs up on their ankle (sliding in at full speed no less) isn't a red.

Batth may have been closer to the ball than Magnusson when he starts sliding but Magnusson ends up winning it anyway!

Can't keep his foot much lower than the centre of the ball.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Can't keep his foot much lower than the centre of the ball.

Height isn't an issue for me but he does lead with the studs the whole time. It's just poor technique in my eyes, he needs to try and swipe across the ball as it'd both improve chances of diverting the ball away from the City player and avoid any head on contact. The straight lunge isn't an effective way to do anything with the ball in that situation and makes it more likely to do damage with any potential follow through, that's where it's reckless in my eyes and worthy of punishment.

 

[Johnny75]

It doesn't matter that Batth touched the ball, it has zero impact on it's travel and so doesn't prevent the City player clearing it away easily! Batth can compete for anything he can do so safely, same as any other player, in that situation he doesn't.

In no way should the City player be responsible for dodging stray challenges, it's a pathetic argument akin to victim blaming to suit your point of view.

Wind your neck in. Football's a contact sport and whilst Batth's tackle could be seen as dangerous in the current climate it clearly wasn't. I did say on the match day thread that in the current day and age it was a silly thing to do and agreed with the ref.

However, my point was the tackle isn't dangerous and if match officials and law makers were educated they would know this and make decisions accordingly.

And by your last argument you condone people throwing their legs out to win penalties?