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Boxing thread

Badou Jack beat another Brit in Nathan Cleverly on the undercard last night.
 
Love to see Mayweather fight McGregor in a UFC contest. To last 10 rounds in his first professional boxing match with the best pound for pound fighter ever, is something to be proud of.
How long would Mayweather last in a UFC contest with McGregor?.
Saying that, Matweather has been a brilliant champion. Last night was a circus, just about money.
 
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So much rubbish is being written about the fight. He got to the 10th round because Mayweather let him. It wasn't in his interest to make his record breaking win be the sham it really was. He could have put him away anytime he wanted. All all this 'he did well to take one of the greatest fighters of all time 10 rounds' crap is exactly that.
 
thehistorymakers said:
Love to see Merryweather fight McGregor in a UFC contest. To last 10 rounds in his first professional boxing match with the best pound for pound fighter ever, is something to be proud of.
How long would Merryweather last in a UFC contest with McGregor?.
Saying that, Merryweather has been a brilliant champion. Last night was a circus, just about money.
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MAYWEATHER
 
Now the dust has settled somewhat its funny to read some of those that are still offended by some of the comments CM made prior to the fight. McGregor is a world class promoter, and a decent fighter too he didn't become rich by being nice. For what its worth I thought it was a decent fight and whilst some of his technique doesn't translate completely to the boxing world he still caused the GOAT plenty of problems in the early rounds. CM has had cardio issues most of his career (its still a fairly short one he was a nobody 3 years ago) and whilst he has to an extent addressed this problem (see Diaz 2) he still has much to work on. Paulie saying he quit is just stupid, if you watch some of his other fights (Diaz 2 again) he gassed badly in the 3rd and soaked up a world more punishment than he was taking from FM, but I am glad it was stopped he had very little left to offer at that point.

I would like to see him go back and fight Ferguson for his first title defense (provided he beats Lee) then take on Diaz for the trilogy at 155. After that if Paulie is still salty about getting beat up by someone with no boxing experience then I think they should dance and settle the score.

As for the boxing world I can't wait for Canelo v GGG, I think Canelo will take this one but should be a belter.
 
A shambles of a fight. Mayweather knew exactly what he was doing and McGregor was shown up for the classless prick that he is.

His comments after the fight were shameful and showed what a cunt the bloke is. Glad I didn't pay to watch that shite.
 
Johnny75 said:
A shambles of a fight. Mayweather knew exactly what he was doing and McGregor was shown up for the classless prick that he is.

His comments after the fight were shameful and showed what a cunt the bloke is. Glad I didn't pay to watch that shite.
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Which comments? That he won the first 3 rounds (which he did)? I didn't hear anything after the fight that was disrespectful at all. If anything I think the boxing world has been very bitter about the whole situation. During the fight the commentary was saying how impressed they were with CM, only afterwards did the whinging start blaming the fact that Mayweather was older or he let him have the rounds.

As a massive Ricky Hatton fan I think CM did a better job albeit against an older slower Mayweather. I also think he would beat Malignaggi, although lets be honest that is't much of an accolade having seen his last few fights.

Both sports have benefited from this IMO, some that didn't watch boxing will do so and some boxing fans will want to have a look at what MMA is all about, seems like a win win situation to me.
 
Tony Towner said:
So much rubbish is being written about the fight. He got to the 10th round because Mayweather let him. It wasn't in his interest to make his record breaking win be the sham it really was. He could have put him away anytime he wanted. All all this 'he did well to take one of the greatest fighters of all time 10 rounds' crap is exactly that.
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Yep. Mayweather did nothing for the first 4 rounds except turn his back.
 
Siggy said:
Which comments? That he won the first 3 rounds (which he did)? I didn't hear anything after the fight that was disrespectful at all. If anything I think the boxing world has been very bitter about the whole situation. During the fight the commentary was saying how impressed they were with CM, only afterwards did the whinging start blaming the fact that Mayweather was older or he let him have the rounds.

As a massive Ricky Hatton fan I think CM did a better job albeit against an older slower Mayweather. I also think he would beat Malignaggi, although lets be honest that is't much of an accolade having seen his last few fights.

Both sports have benefited from this IMO, some that didn't watch boxing will do so and some boxing fans will want to have a look at what MMA is all about, seems like a win win situation to me.
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I don't see how the boxing world has been bitter, like i said earlier McGregor and a lot of MMA fighters and fans didn't show boxing the respect it deserves. Now can you really blame CM for it probably not he was trying to sell a fight but there were many fighters and fans who thought he was really going to do it. In reality he had no chance and that was proven by how the fight worked out. If Floyd would have said he was going in to the Octagon i don't think anyone from boxing would have thought he could have won and most of them pretty much said so.

I don't think CM did that well to be hoenst, he gave it the big i am and when it came down to do it Floyd could have ended the fight when he wanted. After the first round when he connected with one uppercut he didn't land one serious punch and that uppercut had no effect on Floyd as it was. The only time he did hurt Floyd was later on when he caught him below the belt.

CM won round one on the basis of landing that uppercut and Floyd deciding not to punch but from then on it was one way traffic, i was with the judge who had FM winning every round after that as he landed the most meaningful punches in 2 and 3 and then never let Cm get close to winning a round from 4 onward.

Not having that CM did better than Hatton either. After round 3/4 in particular Floyd didn't fight a "money" Mayweather fight he was more like the "Pretty Boy" in that he was coming forward throwing punches and while CM is a tough lad and was probably not ever going to be knocked out he took some serious punishment. Had they both been 27 or had Floyd not wanted to give something back to the fans after the Manny fight like he said he could have ended it whenever he wanted.

I also think that if Paulie gets fit he would beat CM but that's a big if. CM showed on Saturday that he isn't a boxer and that's no mark against him because he's a great MMA fighter but he really should stick to that now and go and become the flagship to carry UFC forward after Jon Jones decided to be an idiot again. He's got plenty of fights for him there and because of this like you said maybe a few non MMA fans will tune in to watch him which can only be good for MMA in general.
 
Agree with all of that Slink. It has benefitted MMA immensely which is no bad thing.
 
slink said:
I don't see how the boxing world has been bitter, like i said earlier McGregor and a lot of MMA fighters and fans didn't show boxing the respect it deserves. Now can you really blame CM for it probably not he was trying to sell a fight but there were many fighters and fans who thought he was really going to do it. In reality he had no chance and that was proven by how the fight worked out. If Floyd would have said he was going in to the Octagon i don't think anyone from boxing would have thought he could have won and most of them pretty much said so.

I don't think CM did that well to be hoenst, he gave it the big i am and when it came down to do it Floyd could have ended the fight when he wanted. After the first round when he connected with one uppercut he didn't land one serious punch and that uppercut had no effect on Floyd as it was. The only time he did hurt Floyd was later on when he caught him below the belt.

CM won round one on the basis of landing that uppercut and Floyd deciding not to punch but from then on it was one way traffic, i was with the judge who had FM winning every round after that as he landed the most meaningful punches in 2 and 3 and then never let Cm get close to winning a round from 4 onward.

Not having that CM did better than Hatton either. After round 3/4 in particular Floyd didn't fight a "money" Mayweather fight he was more like the "Pretty Boy" in that he was coming forward throwing punches and while CM is a tough lad and was probably not ever going to be knocked out he took some serious punishment. Had they both been 27 or had Floyd not wanted to give something back to the fans after the Manny fight like he said he could have ended it whenever he wanted.

I also think that if Paulie gets fit he would beat CM but that's a big if. CM showed on Saturday that he isn't a boxer and that's no mark against him because he's a great MMA fighter but he really should stick to that now and go and become the flagship to carry UFC forward after Jon Jones decided to be an idiot again. He's got plenty of fights for him there and because of this like you said maybe a few non MMA fans will tune in to watch him which can only be good for MMA in general.
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First thing on the big mouth, it really is just to sell fights I don't doubt hes an arrogant sod but then he has every right to be considering his accomplishments in such a short space of time in the world of MMA. From the beginning he would wind up opposing fighters and the crowd, it meant his PPV numbers went through the roof as we all wanted to watch someone knock him out lol. Sadly for those people he went on to batter pretty much everyone including Jose Aldo who dominated for years. He will be a better promoter than he is fighter in years to come and who knows what he will promote.

I do agree there are a lot of deluded MMA fans but I think that's the same for anything including boxing, people get blinded by their loyalty to a sports person. I had very low expectations of the fight and was surprised that it turned out to be some form of contest. I don't agree Mayweather could finish it whenever he wanted, he has never been a big puncher even in his youth and with the damage he has took to his hands over the years it forced him to fight the way he had been. Add to that the fact that Cm has a very good chin and is very durable I don't buy that argument at all.

To put things into context, if CM was fighting GGG or Canelo then I would agree they could just batter him in 1 round.

I would also say CM has improved massively on the boxing front in a very short space of time, he did some sparring (yes I know its sparring) with Van Heerden last year and really did look embarrassing. There would be no point IMO him continuing down that path and improving further unless the Malignaggi fight is offered to him plus the money fights for him are back in MMA.

Several boxers including Khan and AJ have expressed an interest in having a fight in MMA and I think its brilliant, AJ in particular with a bit of takedown defense would be a monster.

In terms of bitterness just have a listen to Tony Bellew, its his sport and hes very defensive about the fact Floyd dropped rounds. Floyd is the master of working people out and then finding a way to win, in the process of doing that he got countered a lot (much more than people would have predicted) 111 punches irrespective of technique for a non boxer is very impressive.

I really hope that it doesn't become a boxing v MMA thing, both sports are really entertaining and if there is the opportunity for others to cross over I can only see it as a positive thing.

Not long till Canelo and GGG face off and I am far more excited about that one, I am sure we will all agree on that :)
 
Siggy said:
First thing on the big mouth, it really is just to sell fights I don't doubt hes an arrogant sod but then he has every right to be considering his accomplishments in such a short space of time in the world of MMA. From the beginning he would wind up opposing fighters and the crowd, it meant his PPV numbers went through the roof as we all wanted to watch someone knock him out lol. Sadly for those people he went on to batter pretty much everyone including Jose Aldo who dominated for years. He will be a better promoter than he is fighter in years to come and who knows what he will promote.

I do agree there are a lot of deluded MMA fans but I think that's the same for anything including boxing, people get blinded by their loyalty to a sports person. I had very low expectations of the fight and was surprised that it turned out to be some form of contest. I don't agree Mayweather could finish it whenever he wanted, he has never been a big puncher even in his youth and with the damage he has took to his hands over the years it forced him to fight the way he had been. Add to that the fact that Cm has a very good chin and is very durable I don't buy that argument at all.

To put things into context, if CM was fighting GGG or Canelo then I would agree they could just batter him in 1 round.

I would also say CM has improved massively on the boxing front in a very short space of time, he did some sparring (yes I know its sparring) with Van Heerden last year and really did look embarrassing. There would be no point IMO him continuing down that path and improving further unless the Malignaggi fight is offered to him plus the money fights for him are back in MMA.

Several boxers including Khan and AJ have expressed an interest in having a fight in MMA and I think its brilliant, AJ in particular with a bit of takedown defense would be a monster.

In terms of bitterness just have a listen to Tony Bellew, its his sport and hes very defensive about the fact Floyd dropped rounds. Floyd is the master of working people out and then finding a way to win, in the process of doing that he got countered a lot (much more than people would have predicted) 111 punches irrespective of technique for a non boxer is very impressive.

I really hope that it doesn't become a boxing v MMA thing, both sports are really entertaining and if there is the opportunity for others to cross over I can only see it as a positive thing.

Not long till Canelo and GGG face off and I am far more excited about that one, I am sure we will all agree on that :)
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I have no problem with CM's big mouth, hes got to sell fights but it was more the mouths of those around him or those involved with UFC/MMA who just didn't respect how much boxing is different to MMA and that someone with no professional background in the sport could beat one of the best ever even if he had been retired for 2 years and is 40.

Like i said i don't think Floyd could have knocked CM out because he has such a good chin and FM's hands are shattered. However imo if Floyd wanted to he could have upped the anti and put in a flurries like he did in the 10th much earlier which would have lead to the ref stopping the fight much like he did.

Oh he has improved massively and he can fight obviously but he's never going to be good enough to beat anyone who is of a more than decent standard. If he ever got in with someone like GGG like you say it would be over in 1 round.

I hope it doesn't lead to a crossover of athletes if i'm honest, i'd rather boxers stick to boxing and MMA's stick to that.

I can see why those in Boxing are being defensive, they want to look after their sport or that's the way they are thinking anyway and i think the punch stats are being wildly misinterpreted. As i mentioned earlier Floyd came forward for the majority of the last 6 rounds and didn't keep his guard up the whole time because he knew he couldn't be hurt hence the 111 landed punches. If Floyd fights like Floyd that stat is half of that if not less imo.

I can agree on the Canelo and GGG fight and it's one i can't call. GGG is capable of hurting Canelo and will keep walking him down but i think Canelo is capable of out boxing GGG. I think it will be a close one and one that we could see a repeat of like we did Ward vs Kovalev.
 
It's silly really, Joe Root would be an awful baseball player, Miguel Cabrera would be a terrible cricketer. Just because both sports involve a bat and a ball, you wouldn't think of crossing the two.
 
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It's silly really, Joe Root would be an awful baseball player, Miguel Cabrera would be a terrible cricketer. Just because both sports involve a bat and a ball, you wouldn't think of crossing the two.
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Spot on for me. Any UFC fighter would lose to a half decent boxer in a boxing ring and any boxer would lose to an half decent UFC fighter in the octagon. I sort of got why this happened and i watched it because i'm a fan of both boxing and UFC but this really should put to bed any thought of others trying it.
 
Rugby union/league has the best crossover ratio by a massive margin. But then look at how Andy Farrell/Sam Burgess struggled, even then it isn't straightforward despite there being so many skills that are by and large the same across the two games.

I like boxing and I like MMA, I don't consider the two particularly comparable. Totally different disciplines, stance, weight distribution, punching technique and so much more.
 
Siggy said:
Which comments? That he won the first 3 rounds (which he did)? I didn't hear anything after the fight that was disrespectful at all. If anything I think the boxing world has been very bitter about the whole situation. During the fight the commentary was saying how impressed they were with CM, only afterwards did the whinging start blaming the fact that Mayweather was older or he let him have the rounds.

As a massive Ricky Hatton fan I think CM did a better job albeit against an older slower Mayweather. I also think he would beat Malignaggi, although lets be honest that is't much of an accolade having seen his last few fights.

Both sports have benefited from this IMO, some that didn't watch boxing will do so and some boxing fans will want to have a look at what MMA is all about, seems like a win win situation to me.
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Hes been saying there was no skill gap between them. Its telling that when McGregor is saying ' I was amazed how easy the first three rounds were' he genuinely doesn't realise he was being rope a doped. When he talks about Mayweather having better composure, that is part of the skill gap. When he talks about throwing flurries of 6 or 7 instead of 3-4 punch combos, and thats what wore him out, that is part of the skills gap. Right down to him not knowing when to take a knee and a standing 8 count. All part of the skills gap. Mayweather was never really in trouble. Mayweather made him look good, and it was only against a novice like McGregor that Mayweather could have done that, and come out with a win that people don't think stinks like a dead cat. 50-0. It's in the books now. Boxing fans will always debate the legitimacy of this fight that allowed him to hit the half century
 
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Hes been saying there was no skill gap between them. Its telling that when McGregor is saying ' I was amazed how easy the first three rounds were' he genuinely doesn't realise he was being rope a doped. When he talks about Mayweather having better composure, that is part of the skill gap. When he talks about throwing flurries of 6 or 7 instead of 3-4 punch combos, and thats what wore him out, that is part of the skills gap. Right down to him not knowing when to take a knee and a standing 8 count. All part of the skills gap. Mayweather was never really in trouble. Mayweather made him look good, and it was only against a novice like McGregor that Mayweather could have done that, and come out with a win that people don't think stinks like a dead cat. 50-0. It's in the books now. Boxing fans will always debate the legitimacy of this fight that allowed him to hit the half century
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he didn't say there was no skill gap at all, here are those comments you speak of below....and Floyd didn't rope a dope in the first 3 rounds either he did a bit in round 4 before going gloves up and toe to toe similar tactics to the Mosley fight although the difference being McGregor couldn't hurt him the way Mosley could.

"I think I smoked him in the early rounds. I was pretty handily whooping him in the early rounds. He then changed his style, he puts his gloves up and his head down, into my chest and then he went to work, I didn’t anticipate that. I had him like that (leaning back) or even like this (leaning to the side) in camp, but he completely changed his style. It completely threw me off, and he was composed in there. I wasted my punches on his gloves. I twas just a composure issue, I don’t feel from a skill level..I felt alright in there.”

So he said he was winning the early rounds (ok hes a bit OTT but he very clearly won the first 3 rounds so its fair enough, I don't buy the argument Floyd was letting him win rounds at all) which he was. and he felt Floyd was more composed, which he was. Floyd has said he was going to be patient, let him burn out then take advantage later on when he was tired....it played out exactly that way but im sure he would have rather taken the rounds as well.

After the fight I thought both fighters were very respectful towards one another, its only really some of the butthurt pundits (you know the ones who said he wouldn't lay a glove on him) that got defensive.

One statement I do want to retract though is that CM did better than Hatton, I haven't watched that fight back since (mainly due to the fact I was so gutted) it was actually a lot closer than I remember, that Floyd back then was a monster.
 
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AJ v Pulev confirmed, whilst I would expect AJ to win it should be a good test for him.
 
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