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Cyber-_-man said:
Again, I say well managed. Bruno had similar issues back in his day. I hope he fights Joshua. I think AJ stops him in four , but he could put AJ on the seat of his pants first!
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Wilders record is padded out more than Mr Blobby. To have had his number of fights without meeting a top elite HW is beyond a joke. He's fought guys who have been beaten by guys he's beaten, and faired worse against them. Bruno was only ever exposed by the very best. Lewis, Tyson, Witherspoon and did after all beat the Atomic Bull that had sparked Lennox.

There are a handful of genuine contenders and Wilder's not in that list. Joshua and the Fury's are the best 3 in the world at the moment. Before anyone mocks Tyson, remember he beat Wlad with plenty in reserve and never looked in trouble whereas Joshua was out on his feet at one point and were it not for THAT uppercut could well have lost. Hughie is a far superior boxer to Tyson, who has a good amateur pedigree, was an amateur World Champion and has still not hit his peak. Expect Hughie to win a strap in the next few weeks which will put him right in the mix and eventually force Joshua into a unification bout. If Tyson gets his licence back and still has the desire a still reigning Joshua has to fight him at some point as he is still The Man who beat The Man, who beat The Man, like it or not, he is still the Linnear World Champion.
 
I can't see Fury getting back to his best. He did a number on Klitchsko to be sure but since then much has changed. I remember another Tyson hitting the come back trail after time out and he was never the same. Haye tried a comeback too and that didn't go well either, losing to a cruiserweight Wilder has fought few names, played it safe and therefore kept his belt. He has still disposed of all that was placed in his path with some ease too. I think you have more chance of wilder v Joshua as a unification than Fury. I would put money that Fury won't win against a top five fighter in the rest of his career, if he still has a career.
 
with Tyson, it's all about whether he has the desire anymore, which is almost understandable. He beat one of the most dominant HW Champions in history and did so in style, and got little real reward for it from the general press and the general population. He achieved his, his Uncle's and his Dad's life goal. Motivation after that would always be tough. He doesnt always do himself many favours when he makes outspoken comments, which are usually taken out of context and used to paint him in a bad light.

Mike Tyson was in decline from the Berbick fight. He went from 15 or so fights a year to 2 or 3 very quickly once he held a Title and didn't train properly ever again. I don't think Peter will ever let Tyson's namesake do that. If he isn't in the right place in the gym he won't sanction him going in the ring. It will be all or nothing with him. I'm still hoping it's all.

Hughie is a different character and it is unfortunate he lives in Tyson's shadow. I think he'll beat Parker with ease. He has a big heigAht and reach advantage and is far more skillful than Parker will ever be.

Wilder will be taking a big risk if he decides to fight Hughie before Joshua
 
He won't lay a glove on him. Floyd is one of the best, if not THE best defensive fighters in the history of boxing. He doesn't even try to knock people out now because his hands are fucked (don't think he's stopped anyone since about 2011). It's just a payday for him so he doesn't care about the spectacle.

I wouldn't pay 20p to watch this farce let alone 20 quid.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
He won't lay a glove on him. Floyd is one of the best, if not THE best defensive fighters in the history of boxing. He doesn't even try to knock people out now because his hands are fucked (don't think he's stopped anyone since about 2011). It's just a payday for him so he doesn't care about the spectacle.

I wouldn't pay 20p to watch this farce let alone 20 quid.
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The highlights will be on Youtube for free anyways
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
He won't lay a glove on him. Floyd is one of the best, if not THE best defensive fighters in the history of boxing. He doesn't even try to knock people out now because his hands are $#@!ed (don't think he's stopped anyone since about 2011). It's just a payday for him so he doesn't care about the spectacle.

I wouldn't pay 20p to watch this farce let alone 20 quid.
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People underestimate the power and allure of 50-0 and what it means in the context of this fight. Immortality.

Larry Holmes went 48-0 and attempting to equal Marciano then became the first HW Champion to lose to a light heavy champion and watched his legacy reduced to the extent most youngsters would now not consider the Easton Assassin to be in the same league as Klitschko.

Calzaghe went went 46-0 , beat the best of the best and WAS the best of the best and still quit before he lost his perfect record and damaged his legacy.


Mayweather stands as one of only 2 men in boxing history to have a perfect record of 49-0.

He will not and is not about to jeopardise that in anything other than a fight he believes he is a cast iron certainty to win. It's not about money, its not about a pay day, its about 50-0. And that is why McGregor doesnt have a chance.
 
Does this count towards his fight record? This is a novelty attraction at best
 
Badou Jack and Nathan Cleverly to fight on the Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor undercard on August 26th. Which should be a reasonable fight unlike the main attraction which will be a one sided miss-match until McGregor retires, probably on his stool after taking heavy punishment from Mayweather.
 
James said:
Does this count towards his fight record? This is a novelty attraction at best
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This is a professional, sanctioned by the Nevada State Commission fight. It will stand on both fighters records.

If Mayweather wins he will become the first and in all likelihood, the only fighter ever to retire with a perfect record of a half century of fights unbeaten.

Mayweather is a very smart cookie. This isn't about money for him, it is all about being the all-time greatest, its all about the 50-0.
 
Lord Knows said:
Badou Jack and Nathan Cleverly to fight on the Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor undercard on August 26th. Which should be a reasonable fight unlike the main attraction which will be a one sided miss-match until McGregor retires, probably on his stool after taking heavy punishment from Mayweather.
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In what I assume is an attempt to counter poor ticket/ppv sales Mayweather is now saying in interviews that McGregor is in with a fighting chance, that age and innactivity give him an edge, that he isnt the same fighter he was when Berto took him 12 rounds let alone the same fighter he was in his prime, that he's in his 40's and his skills are decaying fast.

He's also saying that it wont be a re run of the Paqman fight and that he plans to come out fighting.

I'll believe that last bit when I see it
 
What IF McGregor causes an upset and lands a sweet left on Mayweather's chin for a KO?

I know it won't happen, but what IF? ...
 
Jinky said:
What IF McGregor causes an upset and lands a sweet left on Mayweather's chin for a KO?

I know it won't happen, but what IF? ...
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If it did happen , and every puncher has a chance, it would be a huge upset and I would be shouting to check the bookies! There is no way Mayweather should lose. If he does he is destroyed as a brand and his legacy plummetts.
 
Jinky said:
What IF McGregor causes an upset and lands a sweet left on Mayweather's chin for a KO?

I know it won't happen, but what IF? ...
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It can happen.

Lewis - McCall is probably a prime example. A huge left hook thrown with eyes closed at an unprotected chin destroyed one of the greatest HW's of all time.

Can McGregors team find a flaw in Mayweathers game the same way Manny Steward did for McCall? I'm not sure.

A lot of Mayweathers imperious defence and former devastating attacks relied on reflexes, and it's said that they are the first things to go when the decline kicks in, today Mayweather is acknowledging that's where he is at, if he is to be believed.

If he is good to his word, and he does come out fighting we may find out. Possibly the Mayweather team think that McGregors inexperience and lack of boxing ability will mean he'll be the one leaving his chin hanging out and brittle hands or no, one good shot and McGregor is lights out.

But every time I reason all this through, I get back to the one same fact.

Mayweather wants that perfect 50-0. He wants immortality and finally, mass acknowledgement of his huge achievements in the sport. To achieve that he is staking his entire legacy on beating a guy in his first pro boxing contest.

Should he fail, he destroys that legacy, will face global ridicule, and go down as a prize chump full of hubris as much as a prize fighter considered to be the best pound pound for pound on the planet.

I just can't see Mayweather taking that risk, which by extension means he doesnt see this AS a risk.

We will see whether McGregors ego or Mayweathers ego is right.
 
No lose scenario for McGregor. Worst case he get KO quick and gets paid millions. Then there is a sliding scale of good results. Lasts a bit, gets KO and paid. Last a while, gets KO and paid and leaves with his head held high that he stayed in there a longtime with the GOAT. Loses on points with even more of the former. Or wins...
 
If it goes to a decision McGregor will be hailed as one of the best fighters ever and will be asking for more money back in the UFC when in reality he'll be the samebox office draw as before.
 
Both of you are absolutely correct. This is a no lose situation for McGregor.

Losing your first boxing contest to an all time great.

Losing a fight outside your chosen discipline.

Picking up , 8 possibly even 9 figure paycheck

Becoming an even bigger draw by losing.

And that's the downside.

Mayweather's proposition is almost the polar opposite.

He has everything to lose, apart from a fat wallet, so unless one of the coldest hard calculating fighters in history has developed a lack of judgement, McGregor isn't going to win.

Last time I looked a McGregor DQ was 12-1, and I'm quite tempted by that at the moment.

There's a lot of ways to get DQ'd
 
McGregor kicks Mayweather gets DQ'd fans go home feeling robbed (don't know after paying the ticket prices) sets up Mayweather McGregor 2 and makes another bucket of money for Mayweather and McGregor.
 
Rui_CostCo said:
This is a professional, sanctioned by the Nevada State Commission fight. It will stand on both fighters records.

If Mayweather wins he will become the first and in all likelihood, the only fighter ever to retire with a perfect record of a half century of fights unbeaten.

Mayweather is a very smart cookie. This isn't about money for him, it is all about being the all-time greatest, its all about the 50-0.
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just heard more about this circus on the radio this morning.

i'd be amazed if McGregor won this in a 50/50 there's always a chance and he must be a fit lad.

i think it is about the money for Mayweather, though I can't believe he'd take this fight if he wasn't absolutely convinced he's going to win.

whilst he's got the "perfect record" on paper, Castillo had him beaten relatively comfortably in their first fight. the extent to which the judges awarded it to Mayweather tells you how corrupt that decision was, and not for the first time.
 
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