Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

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In my time living where I do I have been "represented" by Sir Timothy Kitson, Sir Leon Britton, William Hague and now Rishi Sunak... Pardon me for not being delighted that the latest in a long line of brown-nosing yesmen has been given the job he has

Bingo, house! You complete the set!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

In my time living where I do I have been "represented" by Sir Timothy Kitson, Sir Leon Britton, William Hague and now Rishi Sunak... Pardon me for not being delighted that the latest in a long line of brown-nosing yesmen has been given the job he has

Bingo, house! You complete the set!

 

[Papper]

So let's spend fortunes destroying the environment so we can get from Birmingham to London twenty minutes quicker. It's the philosophy of let's throw some money in the air and hope it sticks but in the process let's make our friends happy. Labour did it with various dysfunctional quangoes and ineffecient public bodies. They would be better off dividing the sum they have budgeted and sharing it out to each household. Instant boost ..

 

[BGreenWolf]

HS2 isn't just time saved- it's capacity on the existing lines freed up for local rail services, increasing the amount of trains that can run and getting people away from private transport.

There's an environmental case for HS2 that far outweighs the loss of a few woods. Far be it from me to praise Johnson, but this is absolutely the right decision.

 

[Stan Hullis]

Phase 2 is where the real benefits will lie if it gets done properly - currently takes 2 hours to get the train from Nottingham-Leeds, under HS2 it would be 17 minutes from the Toton hub.

It would be a real game changer for Midlands-North connectivity - it isn't all about times to London but that is all that gets spoken about.

 

[Papper]

HS2 isn't just time saved- it's capacity freed up for local rail, increasing the amount of services that can run and getting people away from private transport.

There's an environmental case for HS2 that far outweighs the loss of a few woods.

Passengers will still use local networks to get to the place where they will catch the train that'll be twenty minutes quicker. All it does is add a choice of getting there twenty minutes quicker or using the old network that is twenty minutes slower.

 

[Papper]

Phase 2 is where the real benefits will lie if it gets done properly - currently takes 2 hours to get the train from Nottingham-Leeds, under HS2 it would be 17 minutes from the Toton hub.

It would be a real game changer for Midlands-North connectivity - it isn't all about times to London but that is all that gets spoken about.

Why does it take 2 hours to get from Nottingham to Leeds ?

#FreeJohnny75

 

[BGreenWolf]

The amounts of local, stopper services that can run are severely limited by the necessity of allowing the big intercity trains to run on them- the different speeds mean that they cut the local services way back to avoid delays (it's very difficult to do an overtaking maneouvre in a train!). HS2 takes those trains off those lines, and the amount of capacity for local trains sky-rockets- indeed, one of the reasons why politicians in the Midlands and the North have been so keen to wave it through.

It's a more nuanced selling point than the politicians normally point to, but it's every bit as important as the time saved, if not more so- it enables a revolution across the network, not just on the HS2 line.

Here, this article explains it better than I can. https://www.citymetric.com/transport/remarkable-achievement-environmental-case-building-hs2-4887

 

[Tony Towner]

Why does it take 2 hours to get from Nottingham to Leeds ?

#FreeJohnny75

There's not a direct train. You have to change at Derby, Sheffield or Chesterfield

 

[Stan Hullis]

Why does it take 2 hours to get from Nottingham to Leeds ?

#FreeJohnny75

I don't know - that's just how long the train takes.

 

[Stan Hullis]

There's not a direct train. You have to change at Derby, Sheffield or Chesterfield

It is direct, but you have to stop at every town between here & Leeds on the way.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Passengers will still use local networks to get to the place where they will catch the train that'll be twenty minutes quicker. All it does is add a choice of getting there twenty minutes quicker or using the old network that is twenty minutes slower.

It won't provide a choice, Birmingham to London would only be via HS2, the WCML would no longer offer a high speed inter city journey between the two.

 

[playtheace]

The amounts of local, stopper services that can run are severely limited by the necessity of allowing the big intercity trains to run on them- the different speeds mean that they cut the local services way back to avoid delays (it's very difficult to do an overtaking maneouvre in a train!). HS2 takes those trains off those lines, and the amount of capacity for local trains sky-rockets- indeed, one of the reasons why politicians in the Midlands and the North have been so keen to wave it through.

It's a more nuanced selling point than the politicians normally point to, but it's every bit as important as the time saved, if not more so- it enables a revolution across the network, not just on the HS2 line.

Here, this article explains it better than I can. https://www.citymetric.com/transport/remarkable-achievement-environmental-case-building-hs2-4887

So there will be a limited running of paupers trains once HS2 is built?
Want to go from Brum to London? Thatll be £150 on the HS2 thank you.
In an age where you can setup a conference online from anywhere, i cant believe the clamour for a 20 minute quicker service.
If i didn't know better, id say there was some multi multi million ££ penalties looming if the scheme wasnt give the green light.

 

[Keef]

I've always thought HS2 is for shandy drinking southerners who work in London,the ability to buy cheap houses in the midlands and still be able to commute. to work

 

[Paul]

So there will be a limited running of paupers trains once HS2 is built?
Want to go from Brum to London? Thatll be £150 on the HS2 thank you.
.

Why would paupers want to go to London, unless you're Dick Whittington ?

 

[MARKakaJIM]

So there will be a limited running of paupers trains once HS2 is built?
Want to go from Brum to London? Thatll be £150 on the HS2 thank you.
In an age where you can setup a conference online from anywhere, i cant believe the clamour for a 20 minute quicker service.
If i didn't know better, id say there was some multi multi million ££ penalties looming if the scheme wasnt give the green light.

HS2 isn't going to be some premium service for people who want to save 20 mins, it becomes the route for any inter city journeys and hands existing lines over to local traffic and freight.

Prices could feasibly come down for both as their respective capacities increase with dedicated lines for their differing purposes.

 

[BillyDee]

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[BGreenWolf]

So there will be a limited running of paupers trains once HS2 is built?

Local rail will be less limited- that’s the whole point.

Want to go from Brum to London? Thatll be £150 on the HS2 thank you.

Maybe, but I don’t see it as inevitable that prices will skyrocket.

In an age where you can setup a conference online from anywhere, i cant believe the clamour for a 20 minute quicker service.

It’s a very good job that I just described how that’s not the only appeal of HS2, then. It will benefit anyone who uses the train network, even if you’re not going to London.

If i didn't know better, id say there was some multi multi million ££ penalties looming if the scheme wasnt give the green light.

They’d have already pissed loads of money up the wall in any case, but going ahead with HS2 was the only sensible option regardless of costs.

 

[Tredman]

So there will be a limited running of paupers trains once HS2 is built?
Want to go from Brum to London? Thatll be £150 on the HS2 thank you.
In an age where you can setup a conference online from anywhere, i cant believe the clamour for a 20 minute quicker service.
If i didn't know better, id say there was some multi multi million ££ penalties looming if the scheme wasnt give the green light.

The west coast main line will still start in London and end in Scotland. You’ll still be able to use to get to London on some crappy slow green train if you want. And just like now it’ll stop at every tin pot Trent vale station.

 

[Tredman]

Interesting take. Seems very Corbynite


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