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Templeton Peck said:
Something like 66/33 in favour of rejoining now.
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Without knowing the terms I don't think you can take any polling seriously. They aren't letting us rejoin on the preferential terms we left on, for example if entering the Euro is a condition that 66 tumbles
 
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Tony Towner said:
Without knowing the terms I don't think you can take any polling seriously. They aren't letting us rejoin on the preferential terms we left on, for example if entering the Euro is a condition that 66 tumbles
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Yeah. Although I'm not so sure how bothered they'd be about us accepting the Euro. We'd be morons to rejoin on those terms tbf.

More likely we'd get single market access for which the price would be free movement of people. I think most people would be happy with that.
 
Tredman said:
What’s up with the euro?
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Lamont nearly crashed the economy trying to be in the ERM, so there'd be panic about that as you'd need some harmonisation period where you peg the currencies. Then there's the general optics of losing sovereignty. I genuinely think you'd see that 66-33 flip the other way
 
All about the (ever weakening) pound in your pocket.
 
There are genuine economic reasons that do mean joining the euro is a bad idea too. You lose your ability to control interest rates for one, the best example of the problem was when Germany and Greece both needed vastly different rates so instead both lost out from the middle ground. Or at least that's how I understood it.
 
Are we going back to the printing money willy-nilly and everything is cool because hyper-inflation doesn't exist argument?

Like all things, quantitative easing has its place in moderation, but you can't go full bore at it without collapsing the currency.
 
I think there's questions to be asked about why this is necessary, assuming that it is. However if their research shows that to be the case then it makes sense. More than the one where he's sitting in Elsie Tanner's 1960s lounge
 
I'm not sure that's a great move tbh. It just fuels Reforms narrative that Greens care more about the immigrant vote than they do the indigenous vote, and actually backs up Farage's messaging about lack of integration and English language skills etc.
 
Del Woppio said:
I'm not sure that's a great move tbh. It just fuels Reforms narrative that Greens care more about the immigrant vote than they do the indigenous vote, and actually backs up Farage's messaging about lack of integration and English language skills etc.
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Thing is if you're even considering voting Green then there's absolutely zero chance you're considering voting Reform, so Farage opinions are nether here or there.

You're never going to sway a Reform or Tory voter to vote Green, it's just not happening.
 
Jack Regan said:
Thing is if you're even considering voting Green then there's absolutely zero chance you're considering voting Reform, so Farage opinions are nether here or there.

You're never going to sway a Reform or Tory voter to vote Green, it's just not happening.
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Difficulty is, you’re giving rocket fuel to Reform. Trading any votes you might gain on the back of that against the 100% emboldenment of your enemy by handing them the perfect propaganda piece on a plate is a pretty stupid move imo.

The greens are clearly on the move but I think they’ll come undone by not being able to see the woods for the trees and playing the game cutely enough.
 
EpsomWolf said:
Difficulty is, you’re giving rocket fuel to Reform. Trading any votes you might gain on the back of that against the 100% emboldenment of your enemy by handing them the perfect propaganda piece on a plate is a pretty stupid move imo.

The greens are clearly on the move but I think they’ll come undone by not being able to see the woods for the trees and playing the game cutely enough.
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Yeah rhe Greens will never persuade right wing nut jobs to vote for them but they do need to chase the swing voter who are likely to be centrists and might questiin stuff like this.
 
Del Woppio said:
I'm not sure that's a great move tbh. It just fuels Reforms narrative that Greens care more about the immigrant vote than they do the indigenous vote, and actually backs up Farage's messaging about lack of integration and English language skills etc.
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Depends what your goals are. If they are short term to win in Gorton and that gets you another 500 votes for the sake of argument and that tips you over the edge then it's worthwhile.
 
Tony Towner said:
Depends what your goals are. If they are short term to win in Gorton and that gets you another 500 votes for the sake of argument and that tips you over the edge then it's worthwhile.
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Contrary to my earlier post I’m beginning to think Polanski might be very deliberate in his actions and clear on his goals - that full-on culture wars and rage-baiting in a lefty way the right would be proud of will have anyone on that side booting Labour into the long grass altogether.

Establishing the Greens as the recognised opposition has to be the goal and if winding people up helps he’s going to do it. He is very good at it tbf and seems to enjoy it. Similarly, if he’s driving Farage straight through the doors of No.10 as a byproduct of that I think in his long term interests he’s more than happy to do it.

Whether thats ultimately best for his interest or the country’s is another matter.
 
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