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I'm old enough to remember the Greens getting ridiculed for suggesting that NATO maybe wasn't the best way forward.

Life comes at you fast.
 
YoungWolf said:
The fucking irony.



Firstly - I originally responded to TT, who said what was there to like about him. You’re the one who started with a “pithy retort” as usual when anything left wing rears its head.

Secondly - I think I largely agree with him that we should be finding every way to be more aligned with the EU than the US. The problem obviously is that we are in the position we are in which I don’t think he’s oblivious to.
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Not sure what the touchy/personal weirdness and F bomb is about, but anyway.

I don't think the bizarre Brazil/Mexico alliance suggestion comes across particularly well, aligned with the priority list where challenging American imperialism is at the top of the list, and Russia some way behind that. Doesn't strike me as very... political

And the stuff about NATO reform is pretty confused and contradictory (at least how he puts it across)

Not seeing much of the mooted great communicator?
 
All I said was what I originally said to TT - something that other parties/leaders quite simply don’t/won’t do. You’ve turned it into about international relations. I’ve tried to answer but I’m not going to pretend I’m as informed as you clearly are.

I think the other thing I like about him is that he doesn’t pretend he’s perfect. Which is why I think it’s odd people thinks he’s smug. For example - he went on TRIP and didn’t prepare properly for the second half of that interview when it became about finances etc. even if he thought it wasn’t going to be about that he was naive not to prepare, and he’s since said so.

And as I said to TT, I think it’s telling who the type of people are that it upsets when he says he wants to address inequality. You can pretend that’s a normal opinion but we aren’t seeing that. In fact I don’t think I even see you present that opinion ever.
 
YoungWolf said:
In fact I don’t think I even see you present that opinion ever.
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Ah you've busted me. Big inequality fan here, can't get enough of it 😉

You don't have to have an opinion on the international relations stuff, it's just an interview that aired today that I thought was interesting and it's also something every party leader will get scrutinised on.

I feel pretty politically homeless ATM so I'm open to listen to anything reasonable, Greens included. I'm happy with genuine environmental concerns being brought to the table, as well as any popular/'common sense' left wing social or financial positions, especially regarding social health care/NHS provision and the nationalising of public utilities. I've always found Green views on defence a little naive, and that's what would stop them being a definite option for me.
 
I quite like a lot of what he says. He doesn’t seem very green though which is a bit sad.
 
It's not easy being green
 
That must have hurt Galloway's ego somewhat.
 
Sort of "drain the swamp" without the Trump-like cuntery?

I can see the logic as there is such widespread disaffection with the political environment after fifteen years of Conservative power and then the first year of Starmer doesn't seem to be a great deal better at addressing such issues. However, it would need to be done in a way that doesn't bring up the Trumpism comparison I just made, as I think that he will now be seen as carrying some deeply unpleasant baggage, at least in the eyes of many UK voters.
 
It feels to me like the 2 traditional parties Labour and Tory don't have any 'mission' other than to stay in power. They have no vision. The Green Party have a vision of what they want to achieve. You may not agree with it, or may think that it isn't something that they can achieve, but they have a foundation of beliefs.

Labour have nothing. You could ask anyone what Labour are trying to achieve and no-one would have a fucking clue. Even Reform have a vision. It's a fucking horrific one, but the fact that they have something for people to focus on, as shitty as it is, is one of the reasons they have got to where they are. The world needs a party that offers a different vision to Reform, and that is the Greens, not Labour.

That's why they'll get my vote.
 
That’s what has annoyed me so much about Labour. They had a genuine opportunity to change things and instead they’ve just tinkered around the edges, pissed off pretty much everyone in one way or another, then rowed back on decisions anyway.
It’s (slightly) less corrupt and scandal-ly, but so frustrating that they’ve blown a chance to make positive changes.
 
catfishwolf said:
That’s what has annoyed me so much about Labour. They had a genuine opportunity to change things and instead they’ve just tinkered around the edges, pissed off pretty much everyone in one way or another, then rowed back on decisions anyway.
It’s (slightly) less corrupt and scandal-ly, but so frustrating that they’ve blown a chance to make positive changes.
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They’ve actually made some real decent improvements. It’s just got drowned out in all the utter shit they have talked.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
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Yet another major party leader has voiced support for closer ties with the EU. Now, the Government should act to restore the UK’s relationship with Europe, by joining key programmes such as the...
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Something like 66/33 in favour of rejoining now.
 
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