Wolves 2-3 West Brom: Verdict Thread

[Johnny75]

You still have to lay a portion of blame on the players. He's right about that. You could hold a 50 ft banner up in the dressing room at half time saying "KEEP IT TIGHT FIRST 15", but the players (not Nuno) have to carry out the instruction. Even in the Sunday league you match up your big guys against their big guys on corners and long throw ins. You certainly don't gift the opposition a penalty 5 mins in.
I think Nuno's demenour today was more he couldn't believe the shit he was seeing from his supposed senior players. My worry is how do you get players back up when they just lost to the shit, the second worst team in the division.

'Keep it tight' is exactly what Sunday league managers say because they haven't a clue about tactics or the game of football.

The same when people talk about belief and confidence. They're excuses for a lack of ability or instruction.

You may say they need faith in their ability but that's the job of the coach to give them that on the training field to take into the pitch. It should be automatic when they get on the pitch.

I'd start by getting a different coach in to take a couple of sessions. Ferguson used to do it all the time so the players wouldn't get used to one face and the drudgery of doing the same thing with the same instructor day in day out.

It would do Nuno the world of good too see a different face and bounce things of too.

 

[jd1981]

Okay! I like your club, didn’t mean to come out rude if it did, my mistake for going on here.

Reality is we’ve lost to our biggest rival in the last 2 hours you’re always going to be met with a lot of frustration and anger.

 

[Jabbawolf]

Okay! I like your club, didn’t mean to come out rude if it did, my mistake for going on here.

Doesn’t help that I decided cheese and a bottle of wine was a good lunch - we’re hurting here right now.

 

[redvictor]

Okay! I like your club, didn’t mean to come out rude if it did, my mistake for going on here.

It would be like us coming to your forum after you got tonked by Liverpool! We are certainly hurting here.

 

[prawnking]

It's all down to the players for me mate. I'm not absolving Nuno of blame entirely

I'm sorry but this is entirely contradictory.

 

[Trips]

Awful way to start the game, regardless of the inside/outside marginal call Traore shouldn't be pissing around on the ball there and Boly doesnt need to make the challenge. After that we controlled the first half, and had some chances before the goals, and looked the better side by HT.

The second half however, absolutely dreadful. There are zero excuses. We looked a shambles at the back, pedestrian in midfield and impotent up front. Worst half of football for a long time, and I haven't forgotten the second halves at West Ham, Anfield or the Amex.

Silva looked good first half, good hold up and link play, and took his goal very well. Second half he was the complete opposite - to be expected as he's not ready for this level. The potential is definitely there though.

We need to get some points on the board soon. I still don't think we will be sucked into a relegation scrap, let alone get relegated (the talk of doing a Bolton is a fucking nonsense) - but many more performances like today and it won't be long until we are seriously looking over our shoulder

 

[redvictor]

'Keep it tight' is exactly what Sunday league managers say because they haven't a clue about tactics or the game of football.

The same when people talk about belief and confidence. They're excuses for a lack of ability or instruction.

You may say they need faith in their ability but that's the job of the coach to give them that on the training field to take into the pitch. It should be automatic when they get on the pitch.

I'd start by getting a different coach in to take a couple of sessions. Ferguson used to do it all the time so the players wouldn't get used to one face and the drudgery of doing the same thing with the same instructor day in day out.

It would do Nuno the world of good too see a different face and bounce things of too.

Don't agree on the former. Football is the same game whatever the league. If you are in the lead at half time you do not make mistakes at the beginning of the first/second half. As a team you are tight and aware in those first minutes as that is were the opposition will try to hit you. As we keep finding out every god damn match recently.

 

[Johnny75]

Don't agree on the former. Football is the same game whatever the league. If you are in the lead at half time you do not make mistakes at the beginning of the first/second half. As a team you are tight and aware in those first minutes as that is were the opposition will try to hit you. As we keep finding out every god damn match recently.

Football really isn't the same at all levels. That's a bit like saying the electrician that wires your house could wire up the International space station.

 

[Wolvensam]

I'm sorry but this is entirely contradictory.

Fair enough mate, I really don't want to argue over semantics or whatever else. In my opinion Nuno has what it takes to turn this around and individual players have let him down in recent fixtures, and that's my bottom line really.

 

[Nando]

Okay! I like your club, didn’t mean to come out rude if it did, my mistake for going on here.

Stick around, more than happy for fans of other clubs to come on here and discuss our current issues!. As others have said, lots of frustration with today's result won't make it look the most welcoming of places at the moment.

 

[redvictor]

Football really isn't the same at all levels. That's a bit like saying the electrician that wires your house could wire up the International space station.

The basic game is. Whether it's PL or Sunday league, you don't gift your opponents soft goals at the start of halfs.
I agree the quality of football is different, but quality and basics are different.
Wiring your house or the space station, the basics of crimping wires is exactly the same.

 

[Jinky]

I am frustrated with Nuno in regard to a number of things, but I absolutely agree with the comments that a lot of the blame has to lie with the players.

It’s unfortunate that some of our new signings, like Semedo and RAN, appear to have the heart of peas. Both talented players - but when you look to them for a bit of fight, responsibility or reliability they are sorely lacking. We’ve gone from a tight-knit group who would fight for each other at any cost - who would throw themselves in front of anything for the cause (but actually had quality & flair to back it up), to a group of players who duck out of tackles - who dive to the floor (hi Fabio) - and who don’t seem bothered when we lose. The amount of second balls we lost today was embarrassing - it’s genuinely stuff you’re taught in school.

What on earth was Boly doing walking off laughing, smiling and fist pumping BFS when you’ve just lost against your biggest rivals and have one win in nine. How does he think that comes across to the fans?

I can already see how this thread is going - with the standard excuses being dragged out. I don’t care that I grew up watching Wolves finish season, after season in the middle of the championship. It’s irrelevant now. We are a team packed with international footballers and what’s being served up right now is no where near good enough.

The senior players need to make a u-turn in form (players like Rui, Moutinho & Coady). And the new signings need to go for a walk around the museum and get an understanding of what it means to play for Wolverhampton Wanderers and for the shirt.

There is so much wrong with us right now it’s difficult to know where to start. Nuno can work his bollocks off all week drilling “solutions” in to the team, but if the players attitudes aren’t right there’s not much he can do.

I really hope Jeff & co are backtracking right now on the “no new signings this window” line because we need something - anything - to lift us out of this slump. Our form is dreadful and we look a million miles away from putting any sort of run together.

Apologies that this is quite a negative post. I hope it doesn’t mean I’m not a fan of the club anymore.

 

[Johnny75]

The basic game is. Whether it's PL or Sunday league, you don't gift your opponents soft goals at the start of halfs.
I agree the quality of football is different, but quality and basics are different.
Wiring your house or the space station, the basics of crimping wires is exactly the same.

The rules are the same the game is entirely different and the two aren't remotely comparable.

Dave Jones used to pick players and say stuff like 'get out there and do it', 'keep it tight' and other such rubbish.

Today's managers and coaches are a different breed, you only need to look at Klopp and Pep who do not value defence but attack more and more to put the other team under pressure. They are exceptional of course but it shows how different mindsets are prevalent in the game and why Sunday League is fun and not to be taken seriously.

 

[malta mick]

I think that most would agree that Coady was a poor midfielder, a terrible full back but has developed as a good sweeper. In which case why have him in a back 4 ?? No sense at all. Lets get back to what was successful for 3 seasons before its too late. We need to buy a striker as both Fbio and Cutrone aren't the answer. I get the feeling that Nuno has been told 'No money for transfers' which is why he's been handed back Cutrone and MGW which has probably pissed him off. Lets hope he doesn't decide to throw the towel in and leave. We have enough talent to salvage the season before regrouping next year.

 

[Johnny75]

I am frustrated with Nuno in regard to a number of things, but I absolutely agree with the comments that a lot of the blame has to lie with the players.

It’s unfortunate that some of our new signings, like Semedo and RAN, appear to have the heart of peas. Both talented players - but when you look to them for a bit of fight, responsibility or reliability they are sorely lacking. We’ve gone from a tight-knit group who would fight for each other at any cost - who would throw themselves in front of anything for the cause (but actually had quality & flair to back it up), to a group of players who duck out of tackles - who dive to the floor (hi Fabio) - and who don’t seem bothered when we lose. The amount of second balls we lost today was embarrassing - it’s genuinely stuff you’re taught in school.

What on earth was Boly doing walking off laughing, smiling and fist pumping BFS when you’ve just lost against your biggest rivals and have one win in nine. How does he think that comes across to the fans?

I can already see how this thread is going - with the standard excuses being dragged out. I don’t care that I grew up watching Wolves finish season, after season in the middle of the championship. It’s irrelevant now. We are a team packed with international footballers and what’s being served up right now is no where near good enough.

The senior players need to make a u-turn in form (players like Rui, Moutinho & Coady). And the new signings need to go for a walk around the museum and get an understanding of what it means to play for Wolverhampton Wanderers and for the shirt.

There is so much wrong with us right now it’s difficult to know where to start. Nuno can work his bollocks off all week drilling “solutions” in to the team, but if the players attitudes aren’t right there’s not much he can do.

I really hope Jeff & co are backtracking right now on the “no new signings this window” line because we need something - anything - to lift us out of this slump. Our form is dreadful and we look a million miles away from putting any sort of run together.

Apologies that this is quite a negative post. I hope it doesn’t mean I’m not a fan of the club anymore.

Anymore?

 

[Wolvensam]

I am frustrated with Nuno in regard to a number of things, but I absolutely agree with the comments that a lot of the blame has to lie with the players.

It’s unfortunate that some of our new signings, like Semedo and RAN, appear to have the heart of peas. Both talented players - but when you look to them for a bit of fight, responsibility or reliability they are sorely lacking. We’ve gone from a tight-knit group who would fight for each other at any cost - who would throw themselves in front of anything for the cause (but actually had quality & flair to back it up), to a group of players who duck out of tackles - who dive to the floor (hi Fabio) - and who don’t seem bothered when we lose. The amount of second balls we lost today was embarrassing - it’s genuinely stuff you’re taught in school.

What on earth was Boly doing walking off laughing, smiling and fist pumping BFS when you’ve just lost against your biggest rivals and have one win in nine. How does he think that comes across to the fans?

I can already see how this thread is going - with the standard excuses being dragged out. I don’t care that I grew up watching Wolves finish season, after season in the middle of the championship. It’s irrelevant now. We are a team packed with international footballers and what’s being served up right now is no where near good enough.

The senior players need to make a u-turn in form (players like Rui, Moutinho & Coady). And the new signings need to go for a walk around the museum and get an understanding of what it means to play for Wolverhampton Wanderers and for the shirt.

There is so much wrong with us right now it’s difficult to know where to start. Nuno can work his bollocks off all week drilling “solutions” in to the team, but if the players attitudes aren’t right there’s not much he can do.

I really hope Jeff & co are backtracking right now on the “no new signings this window” line because we need something - anything - to lift us out of this slump. Our form is dreadful and we look a million miles away from putting any sort of run together.

Apologies that this is quite a negative post. I hope it doesn’t mean I’m not a fan of the club anymore.

I think it's the players too but I will disagree that they don't care/aren't fighting. But individual mistakes from senior pros are costing us currently.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Saw nothing out there today to say the players didn't care or didn't try, that's entirely unfair.

I've seen plenty of players who didn't give a solitary shit to know the difference.

 

[Trips]

I am frustrated with Nuno in regard to a number of things, but I absolutely agree with the comments that a lot of the blame has to lie with the players.

It’s unfortunate that some of our new signings, like Semedo and RAN, appear to have the heart of peas. Both talented players - but when you look to them for a bit of fight, responsibility or reliability they are sorely lacking. We’ve gone from a tight-knit group who would fight for each other at any cost - who would throw themselves in front of anything for the cause (but actually had quality & flair to back it up), to a group of players who duck out of tackles - who dive to the floor (hi Fabio) - and who don’t seem bothered when we lose. The amount of second balls we lost today was embarrassing - it’s genuinely stuff you’re taught in school.

What on earth was Boly doing walking off laughing, smiling and fist pumping BFS when you’ve just lost against your biggest rivals and have one win in nine. How does he think that comes across to the fans?

I can already see how this thread is going - with the standard excuses being dragged out. I don’t care that I grew up watching Wolves finish season, after season in the middle of the championship. It’s irrelevant now. We are a team packed with international footballers and what’s being served up right now is no where near good enough.

The senior players need to make a u-turn in form (players like Rui, Moutinho & Coady). And the new signings need to go for a walk around the museum and get an understanding of what it means to play for Wolverhampton Wanderers and for the shirt.

There is so much wrong with us right now it’s difficult to know where to start. Nuno can work his bollocks off all week drilling “solutions” in to the team, but if the players attitudes aren’t right there’s not much he can do.

I really hope Jeff & co are backtracking right now on the “no new signings this window” line because we need something - anything - to lift us out of this slump. Our form is dreadful and we look a million miles away from putting any sort of run together.

Apologies that this is quite a negative post. I hope it doesn’t mean I’m not a fan of the club anymore.

It's stuff like your final sentence why you get a bad rep in other posters eyes. I dont think anyone is being positive today, nothing to gain from your last sentence.

 

[Jabbawolf]

It’s more that we were previously streetwise, and now we’re a bit schoolboy, than players not caring.

 

[Wolvensam]

I think the big difference between this season and last - and Leander summed it up in a soundbite about winning mentality - is we don't have the faith we will still win when we go behind. That was obvious against Brighton and today. Our game management used to be our best asset and it isn't currently.