Wolves 1-3 Liverpool: Verdict Thread

[slink]

I can't remember us getting out with Fabio, all he did was lose the ball. Silva, bizarrely, kept challenging Doc for heaters too when he should've been on the end of them.

Neto was our only outlet when we did have the ball and he went looking for it a lot, his frustration was almost palpable. I thought he was going to belt Fabio when he ran across him such was his anger.

I thought Lemina's race was run 10 minutes before he actually came off but the drop off in quality is quite stark.

I’m not saying those particular players were involved but it’s just fact that we did get out more with them on the pitch. Neto had a pretty simple pass to put Fabio in but he clipped it straight at their lads head, probably shattered so will let him off but it was a big chance. Lemina and Fabio were away when the former robbed them but Oliver gave a foul, just didn’t look like one and the Semedo’s shot that Matip blocked. Slim pickings yes but we didn’t even have that before the subs, we were forced so far back.

I think we could have taken 4/5 players off because of how tired that looked. Neto, Hwang, Cunha, Lemina, RAN, Dawson all looked shagged at some point. That is a big worry.

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Fabio's very first touch when he came on emptied Tettenhall Pool.

 

[prawnking]

This post just makes the quality of the discussion go down. Just pointless re-writing of what no one has said and you’re definitely capable of getting involved properly.

Of course he’s responsible for our fitness, the comments were questioning whether training is too intense. It’s very rarely the case and players have said the intensity has gone up so maybe that is the case but baffling if it is.

Of course he’s responsible for how we play but sometimes against better teams they’re able to make you do things you don’t want to do. No way anyone wants to sit that deep and defend against that front 4. Klopp made us and as i’ll keep pointing out we were still well in the game at 1-1, Sa had made 1 save since the goal.

It's not hyperbole on my part, read the discussion back. I can give you exact posts if you like.

Basically he's responsible for an element until someone decides he's not, for the benefit of their argument

 

[Tredman]

I can't remember us getting out with Fabio, all he did was lose the ball. Silva, bizarrely, kept challenging Doc for headers too when he should've been on the end of them.

Neto was our only outlet when we did have the ball and he went looking for it a lot, his frustration was almost palpable. I thought he was going to belt Fabio when he ran across him such was his anger.

I thought Lemina's race was run 10 minutes before he actually came off but the drop off in quality is quite stark.

That's a bit harsh on Doyle, he looked ok - a bit nervous and eager to impress but I think he'll be alright.

 

[Tredman]

Interesting stat I've just read is that wolves have conceded more in GONs 2 home games than in all Lop's home games in totality.

Now that is clearly not GONs fault of course.

 

[Johnny75]

That's a bit harsh on Doyle, he looked ok - a bit nervous and eager to impress but I think he'll be alright.

Yes, I was a little harsh, both he and Traore did ok when they came on.

It's more the wide right/ centre forward subs that are baffling.

 

[White Wolf]

Interesting stat I've just read is that wolves have conceded more in GONs 2 home games than in all Lop's home games in totality.

Now that is clearly not GONs fault of course.

Yes yes but the Arsenal and Brighton away games...

As a serious point we remain as poor away as under Lopetegui. Lopetegui had us grinding out some good wins at home and that kept us up. We are not going to get that under O'Neil. The question is where are our points coming from? Everything looks very bleak.

 

[Alan]

It's not hyperbole on my part, read the discussion back. I can give you exact posts if you like.

Basically he's responsible for an element until someone decides he's not, for the benefit of their argument

This is what we all do, all the time.

You look at the possible causes, the outcomes themselves, and you judge where responsibility lies. That's analysis, baby.

Just because Slink is arriving at different conclusions than you doesn't immediately make his opinions fodder for "can you believe this bullshit?" He's even admitted the negatives outweigh the positives today.

That seems pretty pragmatic rather than the opposite end of the spectrum from you.

 

[Templeton Peck]

This is what we all do, all the time.

You look at the possible causes, the outcomes themselves, and you judge where responsibility lies. That's analysis, baby.

Just because Slink is arriving at different conclusions than you doesn't immediately make his opinions fodder for "can you believe this bullshit?" He's even admitted the negatives outweigh the positives today.

That seems pretty pragmatic rather than the opposite end of the spectrum from you.

Bournemouth fans were the same. If he won the opposition were shit if they lost it was cos O'Neil was a twat. People have their agendas.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think Klopp actually got lucky, it wasn't genius from him, he just utilised his impressive squad, and it's a lot easier to do that with 5 subs

The sentence is contradictory, that's not luck, it's taking advantage of the inbaked advantage the PL gives the bigger clubs. We conceded the initiative when he'd only made one substitution though

 

[Tony Towner]

That's a bit harsh on Doyle, he looked ok - a bit nervous and eager to impress but I think he'll be alright.

Doyle's first touch was to try to take some sting out of the game and pass it back to Sa. A clear sign they've not trained together, he'll know better in future

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The sentence is contradictory, that's not luck, it's taking advantage of the inbaked advantage the PL gives the bigger clubs. We conceded the initiative when he'd only made one substitution though

Yeah not well worded, what I meant was he gambled with his subs and the attacking intent he forced on us, because he could, he has that option and clearly it paid off.

 

[Alan]

Doyle's first touch was to try to take some sting out of the game and pass it back to Sa. A clear sign they've not trained together, he'll know better in future

He did have one good moment helping switch a counter over to Semedo. Received, turned, pinged it (a little behind Nelson) instinctively. Nice flash of what he may be able to do.

 

[ROVERT47]

There’s no doubt in my mind that a decent Coach would have us finishing easy mid table with our current squad.

 

[prawnking]

This is what we all do, all the time.

You look at the possible causes, the outcomes themselves, and you judge where responsibility lies. That's analysis, baby.

Just because Slink is arriving at different conclusions than you doesn't immediately make his opinions fodder for "can you believe this bullshit?" He's even admitted the negatives outweigh the positives today.

That seems pretty pragmatic rather than the opposite end of the spectrum from you.

You're overcomplicating it.

I wasn't just referencing slink's comments, and my take starts from a simple premise; he's head coach and has prime responsibility for what happens on the pitch.

To that end, I believe it's fair that he gets credit (as I've given him for elements of the first half) and criticism (for the multiple second half problems), and I don't think that's been the case with everyone's analysis... but you're free to read it differently of course

 

[PuntsWolf]

There’s no doubt in my mind that a decent Coach would have us finishing easy mid table with our current squad.

Just use Palace as a benchmark, who are as lower mid table as it gets. Their CBs are streets ahead of ours, Olise and Eze better than anything we have, and I don’t rate Edouard but he’s a better #9 than what we have too.

 

[ROVERT47]

Just use Palace as a benchmark, who are as lower mid table as it gets. Their CBs are streets ahead of ours, Olise and Eze better than anything we have, and I don’t rate Edouard but he’s a better #9 than what we have too.

Like I said they just need coaching better.

 

[Alan]

You're overcomplicating it.

I wasn't just referencing slink's comments, and my take starts from a simple premise; he's head coach and has prime responsibility for what happens on the pitch.

To that end, I believe it's fair that he gets credit (as I've given him for elements of the first half) and criticism (for the multiple second half problems), and I don't think that's been the case with everyone's analysis... but you're free to read it differently of course

It comes across as attempting to paint anything even remotely approaching positivity as the lowest common denominator of the argument, rather than what’s actually been said.

Just my two cents, genuinely not trying to have a go at you.

 

[Squeak]

Yes, but Sa was 100% responsible for that goal.
He rushed out into a crowd of retreating Liverpool players then instead of just hanging on for 10 seconds he tries to kick it out whilst impeded and gets no distance on it, it comes straight back but the shot is actually going wide till Beuno sticks his leg out and it gets deflected off his heel past a despairing flat out dive from Sa on his near post!
For fuck's sake!!

You are confusing this with the second goal aren't you? It was teh second goal where Sa booted it out and then after that mistake, we allowed Robertson to run pretty much the whole of our side of the field to score.

 

[EnglishBob]

There’s no doubt in my mind that a decent Coach would have us finishing easy mid table with our current squad.

We had a decent coach, but he quit on us for reasons. Now we have some guy that Bournemouth sacked.