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Wolves 0-2 Crystal Palace: Verdict Thread

Someone has definitely given up on someone but I can't figure out if it's the players not arsed with listening to Lage anymore or if he doesn't think they can do what he wants. Either way it's a mess.

It's all a bit weird, first few games looked like the start of something new but results didn't follow, reverted to type pretty quickly and results generally picked up. Got into a really good position and everything appears to have gone to shit, not using early safety to make a 2nd push at transition or battling on with the dull old ways to grind out the results and hope for something good at the end of the season.

It's the sort of anti climax you might expect if you'd flirted with relegation all season but secured safety with a few games left, you wouldn't think they'd fizzle out like this with a quarter of the season to go. Whichever way any fallout has come about it's rare that it doesn't end up with the manager out on his arse, unless there are just a few big dissenters in the dressing it's simply a numbers game that the management are easier to change.
 
Tony Towner said:
As discussed previously their career records would suggest not, however in the last couple of games it's not that we are missing chances, we aren't creating any and that's for the manager to fix. We are so easy to play against when behind, I saw comments yesterday about how we were better in the second half, we weren't it's just that Palace let us have the ball confident we wouldn't break them down twice. West Ham did the same the week before
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So basically we agree. I think some of our main issues are pretty clear to see. How they are rectified is another matter Ofcourse
 
His treatment of Hoever yesterday only works if the dressing room think he's a prick, which may well be the case. If not he'll have lost a fair bit of their respect I'd imagine
 
Tony Towner said:
His treatment of Hoever yesterday only works if the dressing room think he's a prick, which may well be the case.
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Given their seeming reluctance to pass to him, i do wonder. Plus the fact he cost us the point against Liverpool, after they'd worked so hard it may well be the case.

I believe he was feigning injury yesterday too, but that's just my opinion.

But Lage shouldn't be verbally twatting him in public, that isn't going to do anyone any good, that's obvious. Of course unless he's the type to respond to criticism well, but i doubt it.
 
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Man City’s second goal today 4 players on the six yard line 2 from midfield in Foden and De Bruyne. Neves and Moutinho rarely get in the box
 

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Foden played up front.

I can accept Neves and Moutinho not making those runs, they never have and we don't ask them to, no more than City would expect Rodri to be getting a load of tap ins. Other players need to be picking up the slack, and moreover our shite attacking tactics need to change, which is on the manager.

I don't get why people have him down as an intrinsically attacking manager, virtually nothing we have seen since August reflects that. I honestly don't care what he did ages ago for a very short spell at Benfica as the situations aren't even remotely similar. I know his Wolves teams are largely crap to watch.
 
I know I hate it almost as much as when Saunders was in charge. I'm leaving early, I am questioning in my head whether it is worth even going to the ground when I have already paid. It is just shit.
 
Nah, not that level.

- I wouldn't back Saunders to avoid relegation with any squad in any division with any resources, he's an insult to professional sport

- We literally went down to the third tier

- He's an awful person and this was reflected in his constant shithouse comments

- Loads of the players simply didn't try. You could only really throw that at a couple of the current squad at most

In entertainment terms, particularly for home games, it's somewhere near late Lambert era stuff where next to nothing happens a lot of the time and there's simply no need to play that way, especially with relegation 100% off the agenda.

You can't seriously tell me that say, Southampton have vastly more attacking talent at their disposal than we do. The striker they paid £20m for in the summer looks a complete dud, Shane Long still gets minutes for them. Yet they've scored 34 to our 24 in the league. If you're just going to finish some kind of variant of mid table then at least make it worth watching. Especially given what we're currently expected to pay for the privilege.

Being profligate because we have a variety of average/poor finishers you could understand, and easily point to a personnel failing. We don't even have a shot for long, long periods of a lot of games. That's tactical. If I removed emotion and attachment from the equation (which obviously I can't do realistically, as I'm not an android) then we would probably be the last team in the division I'd choose to watch. Us or Burnley, and at least you know what you're getting from Ol' Alehouse Sean.
 
prawnking said:
It's just so fucking weird and annoying!!
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I’m all for keeping possession, but it needs to have a purpose. We find it hard enough to get the ball in the the attacking third anyway so why waste the opportunity?

Instead we go back to Coady to then try and get to the same point we started, only to fuck it up and lose possession without even looking like troubling the 18 yard box.

We’re so bad at creating our own chances, slinging it into the box for them to clear it and is then have a shot is literally our best route to goal. The outcomes are probably - cleared for another throw or corner, cleared to edge of box for us to keep the pressure on or they hoof it back to Coady anyway. We’re deeming the worst of those outcomes as success. Baffles me
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Nah, not that level.

- I wouldn't back Saunders to avoid relegation with any squad in any division with any resources, he's an insult to professional sport

- We literally went down to the third tier

- He's an awful person and this was reflected in his constant shithouse comments

- Loads of the players simply didn't try. You could only really throw that at a couple of the current squad at most
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Guessing you won’t be listening to this?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500055540394823682
 
It's so self-defeating. If passing back to Coady meant a quick switch of the play and caught the opposition off-guard I could understand it.

I don't think it's just tactical, I think it's player mentality too, it's craven behaviour. Making things harder for yourself instead of just taking responsibility and going for the jugular when the opportunity arises. Like Hwang and Raul when they're in a good position to shoot and just linger on it or make the angle worse for themselves until the chance is gone.

Even though it's player mentality I'm talking about, that's partly on the manager too, for me
 
Well we showed in the first three games that these players are capable of creatinghances and not conceding many too. Whether it was just who we happened to be playing in those games (even though we lost all of them, the opposition all had terrible starts to the season).

I genuinely think it’s (mainly) about the coaching. As had been said our players are not worse than other teams attackers. In fact, we probably have more talented ones than quite a lot of clubs. we’ve got to find a way of being more confident to play more fluidly and openly. We play with 3 central defenders and 2 holding midfielders, that should be enough cover to allow the rest of the team to attack more freely.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
It's the sort of anti climax you might expect if you'd flirted with relegation all season but secured safety with a few games left, you wouldn't think they'd fizzle out like this with a quarter of the season to go.
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There are echoes of last season creeping in, for sure.
 
I keep harking on about Norwich's two clean sheets against us and its a damning indictment of our tactics.

In the 6 games after the league game they conceded in every game and 16 times in total picking up a single point.

In the 6 games after the cup game they've conceded in every game, 15 in total, picking up a single point. It would've been 16 but for VAR pulling back free-falling Brentford's 4th at the weekend.

5 shots on target over the two games against a side who've let in 58 goals this season, an average of two goals against every game.

The infuriating thing is at Carrow Road the two times we pressed them their defence/Krul got in a mess and shit themselves. They didn't raise their performance levels versus us, our handbrake bullshit handed them the initiative.
 
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