Wolves 0-2 Brentford: Verdict Thread

[Alan]

It was as well, but if had been to Lemina I think Lemina gets near enough to make a challenge.

Verging on "if they miss their goals, we win", this.

 

[Squeak]

I think it was just a shit pass.

It was a little under hit but I also think Doyle could have done better.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Verging on "if they miss their goals, we win", this.

Is it?

 

[Johnny75]

And Tommy Doyle having the acceleration of Lawrie Madden.

I don't mind Doyle but he's got no athleticism, it was an awful sub to put him on for Gomes.

 

[Alan]

Is it?

Poking fun, really. But sort of.

Fact is, it wasn't Mario in that position, and IMO the passer should be aware of the difference in pace between the two. Small margins at this level, etc etc.

 

[Squeak]

Agreed. We still needed the fight and drive that Gomes has IMO.

I don't mind Doyle but he's got no athleticism, it was an awful sub to put him on for Gomes.

 

[Johnny75]

Poking fun, really. But sort of.

Fact is, it wasn't Mario in that position, and IMO the passer should be aware of the difference in pace between the two. Small margins at this level, etc etc.

It's always the passers fault. Any basic coaching teaches you that.

You're right on this one Alan.

 

[Alan]

It's always the passers fault. Any basic coaching trends you that.

You're right on this one Alan.

Even a broken clock...

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Poking fun, really. But sort of.

Fact is, it wasn't Mario in that position, and IMO the passer should be aware of the difference in pace between the two. Small margins at this level, etc etc.

Yeah small margins, thus why I felt it was worth saying.

And it's like saying "if player X had had that chance rather than player y, he'd have probably scored."

Or "if Doherty hadn't been playing, we'd have beaten Man Utd....."

 

[Tony Towner]

It's a circular discussion and probably will remain so while we have the personnel we do.

Imagine how good we could be with Sarabia, Cunha, Hwang and Neto all on the pitch at the same time (the bench would be empty, but let's park that). We don't have centre halves that can play in a 2 though. There's some projection Toti could, he offers the pace, but I don't think his awareness is good enough personally. Dawson and Kilman has been done to death, for different reasons they need that extra man. Ignoring the limitations of who he could bring on it was the right thing to switch today though, everyone knew what Brentford would be in the 2nd half. I'd have brought Doyle on at the same time, that one reverse pass to Lemina down the right side was sublime. There's very clear situations where the game will suit him and today after they'd scored was one.

 

[Alan]

Yeah small margins, thus why I felt it was worth saying.

And it's like saying "if player X had had that chance rather than player y, he'd have probably scored."

Or "if Doherty hadn't been playing, we'd have beaten Man Utd....."

Personally, I don't find those hypotheticals do anyone any good. But they absolutely do get said, no doubt.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It's always the passers fault. Any basic coaching trends you that.

You're right on this one Alan.

Lol, it's up to any player to do their best to retrieve a bad pass too, and I feel Doyle could have done more. In order of blame, Doyle was 3rd.

Anyway, this is being overanalysed, as ever.

I'm out.

 

[Squeak]

Yeah small margins, thus why I felt it was worth saying.

And it's like saying "if player X had had that chance rather than player y, he'd have probably scored."

Or "if Doherty hadn't been playing, we'd have beaten Man Utd....."

"Or if Doherty hadn't been playing, we wouldn't have beaten Newcastle, Man City or Palace"

 

[Lupo]

Disappointingly flat performance today after the Chelsea heroics. Losing Cunha so early really hurt us as he is so key to our attacking play, shit luck that Hwang wasn't available either. So much for SK getting knocked out the other day, we'd be no worse off had they got to the final. Bellegarde was terrible and not a viable replacement, would rather we brought on Fraser.

Brentford are a horrible side, so much shithousing, time wasting, breaking up play with fake injuries. They defended in numbers and we rarely found a way through. Worst thing you can do is give them the lead and something to defend.

Sa dropped us in the shit a few times with woeful distribution. Hooper was pretty poor throughout giving them free kicks everytime they dropped and allowing their time wasting, finally booked Flekken but only because he had to when Flekken dropped the ball on the turf at the throw in but then only added 6 minutes which barely covered the subs let alone all the time wasting.

Regardless though that wasn't the reason we lost, that was our inability to break them down and finishing, Toney showing the difference between having a proper no.9 and not.

We move on

 

[Wolftone]

I thought all of our players did a lot of good stuff today, conversely they all did some bad stuff too. Some bad percentage choices and some individual errors.
At this level you are lucky if you get away with that.
We largely got away with it first half and were fortunate to only go in 1-0 down.
Second half was a big improvement and if Dawson's goal hadn't been ruled out we could have gone on to win the game.
Once their second goal went in the game was gone.
With their time-wasting and defensive set up we were done.
Architects of our own downfall today.

 

[Johnny75]

It's a circular discussion and probably will remain so while we have the personnel we do.

Imagine how good we could be with Sarabia, Cunha, Hwang and Neto all on the pitch at the same time (the bench would be empty, but let's park that). We don't have centre halves that can play in a 2 though. There's some projection Toti could, he offers the pace, but I don't think his awareness is good enough personally. Dawson and Kilman has been done to death, for different reasons they need that extra man. Ignoring the limitations of who he could bring on it was the right thing to switch today though, everyone knew what Brentford would be in the 2nd half. I'd have brought Doyle on at the same time, that one reverse pass to Lemina down the right side was sublime. There's very clear situations where the game will suit him and today after they'd scored was one.

Disagree with the Doyle sub, it killed our momentum as Gomes was winning the ball high up the pitch and we were trying to find a way through and that was working.

When Doyle came on the ball went backwards, started deep and we resorted to going wide when that was what Brentford wanted us to do. Not his fault, just the job he was brought on to do.

 

[Aikiwolf]

I didn't think Gomes off for Doyle was the right move. Maybe Bellegarde off for Doyle would have been a better move.

I'm not sure what Bellegarde is supposed to be, but so far he has shown very little and seems to regress each game.

We were dreadful today, very little energy (and very little energy from the crowd). We looked vaguely better with 4 at the back but I think that was mostly Brentford were happy for us to have the ball.

 

[Wolftone]

Disagree with the Doyle sub, it killed our momentum as Gomes was winning the ball high up the pitch and we were trying to find a way through and that was working.

When Doyle came on the ball went backwards, started deep and we resorted to going wide when that was what Brentford wanted us to do. Not his fault, just the job he was brought on to do.

Yep. Only reason I thought there could possibly be behind it was, maybe (big maybe) that Doyle could do something if we got a dead ball situation, he certainly wasnt going to drive us on forwards.
He did play one blinding pass from deepish centre midfield to the right wing, (to Neto I think).
What did you think if JRB today? I thought he did ok when he was involved, needs to get involved more though.

 

[The Bear]

Doyle should have been brought on for Sarabia not Gomes. And played as the No.10.

We desperately needed someone with creativity up there.

 

[Wolftone]

Doyle should have been brought on for Sarabia not Gomes. And played as the No.10.

We desperately needed someone with creativity up there.

Sarabia was a passenger today, except for the brilliant ball to Neto at the far post. That is Sarabia in a nutshell imo.