Wolves 0 - 1 Wigan: Hello Darkness, My Old Friend

[Del Woppio]

Aye

 

[Norman Deeley]

That's bloody ridiculous. So you're saying our most experienced central midfielder - to whom we've just given a long contract - made a successful pass every 8 minutes?

 

[ProgWolf]

I think I was more depressed last night than I was at any time last season. Last season I expected to get depressed game by game, but the expectation following our takeover gave me hope and that is being crushed again. Our cup wins have papered over the cracks and Lambert has a massive job on his hands to convince us that he can put things right. Having said that, we must give him at least three full seasons. It's just the agony of knowing we will be stuck in The Division From Hell as ALOB called it, for years to come. But Paul, please, please, please, prove me wrong !

 

[Lord Knows]

Three seasons, wow, Until Paul Lambert shows himself capable of delivering a variable effective pattern of play the juries out.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think I was more depressed last night than I was at any time last season. Last season I expected to get depressed game by game, but the expectation following our takeover gave me hope and that is being crushed again. Our cup wins have papered over the cracks and Lambert has a massive job on his hands to convince us that he can put things right. Having said that, we must give him at least three full seasons. It's just the agony of knowing we will be stuck in The Division From Hell as ALOB called it, for years to come. But Paul, please, please, please, prove me wrong !

Last season we would have at least got the 00.

I don't think you can say a manager should be given a set minimum period
Few disagreed with Zenga going after 15 games which 'should' be too soon, but it wasn't as he was clearly out of his depth. Saunders only had 5 months, but that was more than enough. If Lambert takes us down (I don't think he will, but certainly wouldn't discount it), he will be rightly sacked in May. Assuming we stay up, I doubt he'd still be here this time next year if we were in the same position playing the same awful anti football. You need to see gradual progress and development not just wait for an arbitrary period of time to elapse before making a judgement.

 

[Langers]

We have notched up plenty more positives this season than last - unfortunately we're very inconsistent and those who I would hope are playing for their places next season haven't done their prospects any favours at all over the past 2 weeks.

It's a shame that our good run is so quickly forgotten, as are the superb performances we saw throughout January.

I think it shows what a huge job Lambert has on his hands and once the cup run is over and we've picked up enough points to not have to worry about a relegation battle (I think we'll be fine and will put enough points on the board over the coming weeks) I hope he's ruthless with the squad.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

We have notched up plenty more positives this season than last - unfortunately we're very inconsistent and those who I would hope are playing for their places next season haven't done their prospects any favours at all over the past 2 weeks.

It's a shame that our good run is so quickly forgotten, as are the superb performances we saw throughout January.

I think it shows what a huge job Lambert has on his hands and once the cup run is over and we've picked up enough points to not have to worry about a relegation battle (I think we'll be fine and will put enough points on the board over the coming weeks) I hope he's ruthless with the squad.

Really?
I think the positives have proved to be false dawns so far. Look at the team

Ikeme Doherty Coady Edwards Stearman Batth were all singled out for replacement last year. Stearman was sold and bought back! We sold Afobe and Griffiths and effectively didnt replace them. Costa is a bright point but teams have worked out stop Costa stop wolves. This seasons home form is the worst I can remember. The last time we lost 8 home games we were relegated with 9. There is still time. We have work to do to EQUAL that appalling record of 7-7-9. We are in an appalling mess and the squad and style of play are neither good enough or capable enough. Massive 3 months ahead,

 

[ProgWolf]

Last season we would have at least got the 00.

I don't think you can say a manager should be given a set minimum period
Few disagreed with Zenga going after 15 games which 'should' be too soon, but it wasn't as he was clearly out of his depth. Saunders only had 5 months, but that was more than enough. If Lambert takes us down (I don't think he will, but certainly wouldn't discount it), he will be rightly sacked in May. Assuming we stay up, I doubt he'd still be here this time next year if we were in the same position playing the same awful anti football. You need to see gradual progress and development not just wait for an arbitrary period of time to elapse before making a judgement.

I think I said three seasons as most don't last more than two. Assuming we stay up and barring disasters, Lambert has proved he can get teams up and keep them there, so whilst we are hurting at the moment, I'm trying to stay positive in the long term but right now it's bloody hard.

 

[Langers]

Really?
I think the positives have proved to be false dawns so far. Look at the team

Ikeme Doherty Coady Edwards Stearman Batth were all singled out for replacement last year. Stearman was sold and bought back! We sold Afobe and Griffiths and effectively didnt replace them. Costa is a bright point but teams have worked out stop Costa stop wolves. This seasons home form is the worst I can remember. The last time we lost 8 home games we were relegated with 9. There is still time. We have work to do to EQUAL that appalling record of 7-7-9. We are in an appalling mess and the squad and style of play are neither good enough or capable enough. Massive 3 months ahead,

Sorry but I don't think it's as desperate as that and to dismiss our positive results and performances as mere false dawns is a bit disrespectful. The Liverpool game for example is one of the best overall displays I've ever seen from a Wolves team. It'd be wrong to dismiss that so nonchalantly.

It's important we get results on the board quickly and I hope that no matter what happens in the cup game, we're fully focused on the run in. The majority of the squad should be treating these games as a prolonged trial to show the manager that they should be part of his plans next season. Too many have fluffed their lines over the past 10 days.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Sorry but I don't think it's as desperate as that and to dismiss our positive results and performances as mere false dawns is a bit disrespectful. The Liverpool game for example is one of the best overall displays I've ever seen from a Wolves team. It'd be wrong to dismiss that so nonchalantly.

It's important we get results on the board quickly and I hope that no matter what happens in the cup game, we're fully focused on the run in. The majority of the squad should be treating these games as a prolonged trial to show the manager that they should be part of his plans next season. Too many have fluffed their lines over the past 10 days.

As often is the case you miss the point. How many Liverpool games have we had this season? Them Stoke Newcastle blues and maybe one or two last season. How many Wigan x2 Cardiff,Burton,Barnsley at home, Derby first half, QPR at home, Leeds at home. The latter list is much much longer.Our stock performance is not good. If everyone has a good day we have a Liverpool. If one or two don't we have a Burton. Same team! The Liverpool result was an exception and as a counter attacking side we are better more often when in front. Hence why our home form is shit partially at least. There is no disrespect! Even a broken fucking clock gets it right twice a day!

 

[Langers]

As often is the case you miss the point. How many Liverpool games have we had this season? Them Stoke Newcastle blues and maybe one or two last season. How many Wigan x2 Cardiff,Burton,Barnsley at home, Derby first half, QPR at home, Leeds at home. The latter list is much much longer.Our stock performance is not good. If everyone has a good day we have a Liverpool. If one or two don't we have a Burton. Same team! The Liverpool result was an exception and as a counter attacking side we are better more often when in front. Hence why our home form is shit partially at least. There is no disrespect! Even a broken fucking clock gets it right twice a day!

Nah sorry - that's kneejerk negative nonsense. It's not fair to just dismiss the high points of the season like that.

Obviously we need to improve in all areas of the pitch and we have to be more consistent and stop so many awful performances but you're making out that it's all bad with no redeeming features and that's just hyperbole.

The players need to step up and play their way into Lambert's plans for next season. It frustrates me that too many players aren't grasping that opportunity.

 

[Derby Wolf]

This season is reminiscent of 2010/11 winning and putting in a performance against the best teams we face and then no shows in the bread and butter games.

Whilst not on Cyber levels I do think the latter diminishes the former because the former raises expectations and the team then flatter to deceive.

I just hope we aren't 3-0 down needing a result on the last day! I think it proves this group are capable of something special in isolation but unable to match those levels for any real amount of time.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Nah sorry - that's kneejerk negative nonsense. It's not fair to just dismiss the high points of the season like that.

Obviously we need to improve in all areas of the pitch and we have to be more consistent and stop so many awful performances but you're making out that it's all bad with no redeeming features and that's just hyperbole.

The players need to step up and play their way into Lambert's plans for next season. It frustrates me that too many players aren't grasping that opportunity.

Please can you send me your rose tinted spectacles. Happy to pay postage.

If my comments about the games I listed are considered hyperbole by you then I dread to think how easily you can be satisfied by a football teams performance. Those games were all poor performances that contained significant errors or lack of ideas or creativity. Yes there are some bright spots but given where we were supposed to be going this season is pretty awful. Sorry. I just don't see the same wonderful green shoots you obviously do from the likes of Batth Doherty Savile, Iorfa,etc

 

[Langers]

Please can you send me your rose tinted spectacles. Happy to pay postage.

If my comments about the games I listed are considered hyperbole by you then I dread to think how easily you can be satisfied by a football teams performance. Those games were all poor performances that contained significant errors or lack of ideas or creativity. Yes there are some bright spots but given where we were supposed to be going this season is pretty awful. Sorry. I just don't see the same wonderful green shoots you obviously do from the likes of Batth Doherty Savile, Iorfa,etc

Have I ever disagreed with the fact we've been abysmal in many games this season?

Have I said I rate Batth, Doherty, Saville et al? (I do rate Iorfa but accept he's a young player whose form has dipped this season).

I'm not disputing the alarming lack of quality in many games this season, nor am I disputing that it's been a pretty crap season overall. What I don't agree with is the glossing over of games/performances when we have played well and that everything is terrible.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Have I ever disagreed with the fact we've been abysmal in many games this season?

Have I said I rate Batth, Doherty, Saville et al? (I do rate Iorfa but accept he's a young player whose form has dipped this season).

I'm not disputing the alarming lack of quality in many games this season, nor am I disputing that it's been a pretty crap season overall. What I don't agree with is the glossing over of games/performances when we have played well and that everything is terrible.

So you agree with most of my kneejerk negative nonsense! What you have put in your last post is exactly what I was alluding to.I just don't think two or three amazing results in 35 games is the return fans expected or fosun anticipated and persevering with a number of our squad clearly hasn't worked in more games this season than it has.

 

[malta mick]

I think that the current squad is not good enough to be promotion contenders but some have been given long contracts - we'll never get rid of them as they're no good and nobody else is going to pay their wages

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

We have the financial firepower to frankly not give a shit about that now.

 

[malta mick]

but you can't make them leave the cushy number they have here.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Bomb squad mark 2 for next season then - as Paddy says doubt that financial considerations will come into it.

If necessary we will pay them off & compensate for wage loss, though not sure why we gave the longer contracts to some to put us in this position.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Given the fanfare when our new owners took over, it is sad to see the state we are in now.