Winter Improvement Thread (aka Winter Squad Weakening Thread and TWF Suicide Watch)

[MARKakaJIM]

Karl Henry, I thought. Fuck knows with Papper though. I'm sure he watches through a kaleidoscope and a mirror.

I the only one I could think of that spanned centre half, right back and defensive mid, along with the England U21 malarky, was Mancienne but the 'great effect' sort of ruins that one anyway. Smashing centre half in the Championship at first, never really comfortable at right back and then occasionally did a useful man marking job in centre mid.

Hardly the success story the man paints it as.

 

[Papper]

Karl Henry, I thought. $#@! knows with Papper though. I'm sure he watches through a kaleidoscope and a mirror.

That would actually be quite beneficial at times. I'm sure somebody who knows a bit about football will know this player.

 

[Papper]

I the only one I could think of that spanned centre half, right back and defensive mid, along with the England U21 malarky, was Mancienne but the 'great effect' sort of ruins that one anyway. Smashing centre half in the Championship at first, never really comfortable at right back and then occasionally did a useful man marking job in centre mid.

Hardly the success story the man paints it as.

I beg to differ. Helped save us from relegation.

 

[machin05]

So we should use Mancienne's Wolves career as a framework for developing one of our brightest youth players for years!?!

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I beg to differ. Helped save us from relegation.

Would you be happy for Iorfa's career to follow a path similar to that of Mancienne? You move him around all over the place and risk turning him into a bland, jack of all trades waste like Phil Jones or would you rather identify what's likely to be his future role and give him opportunity to master it?

 

[Papper]

So we should use Mancienne's Wolves career as a framework for developing one of our brightest youth players for years!?!

No, in Dec 2015 when in a downward situation it may be an option when all else has been tried, tested and failed. It worked before with a similar type of player.

 

[Papper]

Would you be happy for Iorfa's career to follow a path similar to that of Mancienne? You move him around all over the place and risk turning him into a bland, jack of all trades waste like Phil Jones or would you rather identify what's likely to be his future role and give him opportunity to master it?

He helped us get promoted and stay in the PL so a big fat yes to that.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

He helped us get promoted and stay in the PL so a big fat yes to that.

So you'd be happy if that was his lot? Two useful seasons and then a lifetime of mediocrity to follow?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Good little debate guys.My problem is that it is one that we shouldn't be having if we were anywhere near performing at the back. To me he should play in his strongest position. Ikeme is one of the best penalty takers but we don't tout him for the job

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Mancienne was absolute fucking garbage. Stop re-writing history.

 

[James]

Mancienne was absolute fucking garbage. Stop re-writing history.

Is, was and forever will be.

 

[Papper]

Good little debate guys.

It could have been.

 

[Papper]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...nne-thrilled-by-England-call-up-Football.html

 

[Nando]

Mancienne had a few very good games at the highest level but for the majority he wasn't good enough. He's been a bombscare everywhere he's been since.

Iorfa is a completely different player. Not remotely comparable.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Mick McCarthy, compared him to Franz Beckenbauer, such was his immediate impact as ball-playing centre-back at Molineux.

Hahahahahaha

 

[Tredman]

I thought Mancienne was great in his first loan period in the Champ - really looked like he could be a good player.

Dicking him around with loans and playing him in the wrong posn seemed to ruin him after that.

 

[Nando]

Mancienne was great until he got absolutely destroyed by Agyemang.

 

[Kenny]

Mancienne was great until he got absolutely destroyed by Deutsch.

..

 

[Lycan]

Cheeky bid for Max Power anyone?

 

[YoungWolf]

Only recently signed for Wigan didn't he?