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West Ham 0 v 1 Wolves: The Verdict Thread

First chance to post something since getting back from the game yesterday. Lots of stuff been said already from others that I agree with, but a few things that stood out:

- First half was fascinating, in that while both teams were poor, with West Ham it felt like they were actually poor (it was stunning how static their movement was out of possession, and it didn't improve much in possession either). With Wolves, it felt like watching a good team play a pre-season friendly. No urgency, rather than a lack of quality. It came towards the final 20 or so minutes of the match, after West Ham also woke up after half-time, but there was never any real feeling of threat or danger. If anything, it felt like an inevitable 0-0 bore draw where any goal conceded by us would be down to a defensive mistake or some set piece screw-up. I was in with with the home fans and they were justifiably furious at how clunky and plodding their team was. Pellegrini has a lot of work to do.
- Jota and Costa were both frustrating, but Costa grew into the game I thought, while Jota didn't. If Cavaleiro was fit right now I don't think there'd be any question that he'd be starting ahead of Jota right now. Jiminez, outrageous miss aside, had a good game, but I worry about him burning out Kevin Doyle-style if we don't bring someone in in January (especially if we manage a cup run) to help share all that running duty.
- Traore's an interesting one. He had a mixed game, I felt, compared to his other sub appearances, but then part of that he plays football in such a frustrating way. He might have incredible pace and acceleration, but when he isn't on the ball (or, even more so, when we aren't in possession as a team at all), he looks kind of lost, and has a tendency to stand still and watch the game happen around him. You need him to be in a team with players that will win the ball back for him (he's not going to track back like any of Cav/Costa/Jota, and he can't tackle as well as any of them either), then lay it off for him to run on to; if you pass to him when he's got his back to goal, he can sometimes outmuscle an opponent with his strength to turn it, but it's not guaranteed. Very, very well-taken goal at the end though, and he did have some good moments before then, exposing West Ham's general lack of decent pace. If Nuno can coach some better general awareness of the game into him, or at the very least get him to offer something off the ball, then he's going to be a monster of a player. Until then, he's such a glass cannon that even with Jota and/or Costa in poor form, I don't know if he's worth a start at this level in games other than those against relegation fodder.
- Credit for a solid cameo from Leo Bonatini, too. We don't play with a standard number 10, but that's probably the best way to think about him. (Or, as the player that Joe Mason wishes he was.) He links midfield and attack so, so well, and that's exactly what we need to get the best out of Troare when our other inside forwards aren't clicking. Cavaleiro will, by rights, take that role away from him when he's back from injury, but on this evidence he's dealing with the switch up in division fine, as long as we don't expect him to actually score goals.

Also, first trip to London Stadium since the Paralympics, it's still such a good stadium. I live about 20 minutes' walk from it and the Olympic Park is such a great space as well. Just... it's rubbish for football. There isn't a big enough bubble machine in the world that's going to fix that.
 
Probably our worst performance of the 4 tbh but we didn't play badly and still definitely deserved to win. West Ham were dreadful and if I was a Hammers fan I'd be seriously worried. We played better teams in the Championship last season.

Overall I thought we controlled the game and bar one or two shaky moments at the back didn't look troubled at all. We just lacked that cutting edge in the final third until Léo came on and caused all sorts of problems for them. We needed to be more ruthless before that, and although I didn't feel that any of our forward players had particularly bad games I would've expected us to create more chances against a team who seemed determined to give the ball away and surrendered the midfield battle to João and Rúben from the 1st minute.

Patrício - 9 - 2 top class saves, one where he clawed the ball away and another where he stopped the ball with his face. A small criticism would be that there were a few times where the ball was loose in our box and we seemed a little hesitant. Needed Rui to take control of the situation.

Bennett - 9 MOTM - Superb performance. Dominated in the air vs Arnautovic and stopped West Ham in their tracks every time they attacked down their left. Allowed Doc to basically play as an extra inside forward. Instrumental in allowing us to control the game.

Coady - 7.5 - Some sublime passing and as always managed the shape of the team from the back, constantly in conversation with Moutinho and Neves in front of him. Was the only one of the back 3 who looked to struggle against Arnautovic and when they had their big chance he didn't know where to put himself.

Boly - 7.5 - Pretty quiet game for him. Thought he could've stepped forward a little more, sucked players in towards him and freed up a bit more space for Jota and Jonny. Proper Helan moment in the first half when he dribbled straight out of play.

Doherty - 7.5 - Played well again today. Played pretty much as an inside forward with Costa outside him for most of the game and had one half chance with a volley. Didn't really get much joy up against Cresswell and Sanchez until we bought Traore on and he moved wider and played as more of a traditional winger. Cross for Raúl's miss was spot on but before that a little shakey, one in the first half was a Doc special ballooned way over everyone's head.

Moutinho - 8.5 - A joy to watch. Absolutely wonderful footballer. Made an absolute mug of Jack Wilshere and the ridiculous hype surrounding him with that performance. An elegant, cerebral central midfielder and a real leader on the pitch. Corners are a little iffy though, always the same delivery, every single time to the front corner of the 6 yard box.

Neves - 8 - Another good performance from Rúben. Wasn't until the final 20 that he really came alive though, the pass out to Doc in the build up to Raúl's miss the only moment of magic. Did really well to win the ball back from Sanchez for the winner.

Jonny - 7.5 - Defended excellently against Felipe Anderson & Antonio, so much so that the latter was actually booed off the pitch when he was subbed off. Love watching his positioning when we don't have the ball, he knows that position inside out, always makes the correct decision when choosing whether to press or block off passing lanes.

Costa - 6 - Didn't do much wrong but at the same time didn't do anything to really get me excited either. One or two little runs where he cut inside off his wing but nothing ever really came of it. Wasn't on it at all today, he's bulked up but is still a little too afraid of contact for my liking. Needs a few goals to boost his confidence.

Jiménez - 7 - Could've been a man of the match performance for Raúlito if he'd put the chance away or a few final balls through to Jota had fallen for us. Nearly but not quite. Looked a little isolated as Jota was the only player who got anywhere near him but battled away and almost created a few good chances for himself anyway.

Jota - 6.5 - A lot of hustle and bustle but nothing really fell for him. Was the only player of the front 5 who looked to get close to Raúl and create something but still nowhere near his best. Very close to getting a good connection on Moutinho's cross in the first half and got in behind Fredericks once or twice but failed to take advantage. A little unlucky to be subbed off before Helder IMO.

Traoré - 7.5 - Up until the goal he wasn't playing well. Didn't touch the ball for the first 10 minutes and again looked like he didn't know where he was supposed to be playing. When he originally came on he was up against Fredericks who didn't look bothered by his pace and then when we switched him to the other side to get at Cresswell Obiang stopped him every time he tried to set off on one of his runs. Also wasted a glorious opportunity when he could've played Doherty in. Great run and finish for the goal though, as soon as Rúben wins the ball he sets off and takes his chance brilliantly.

Léo - 8.5 - Totally opened West Ham up. I had spent the whole game lamenting the lack of Ivan Cavaleiro as it would've been the perfect game for him, West Ham were touch tight on Jota/Doherty and fast out to press Costa on the wing, we needed someone to drop in to space and link play into Raúlito/Jota. Bonatini did just that when he came on, suddenly Sanchez and Obiang had more to deal with than just chasing Moutinho's shadow and their centre backs didn't know whether to stay in position or stay tight to Léo and risk Jiménez/Traoré getting in behind. Lovely assist for the goal, the weight on the pass was perfect for Adama.

Vinagre - 6.5 - Like Traoré he's so fun to watch, but in a different way. I hope we continue to give him game time throughout the season.

Overall, a decent but imperfect performance. We controlled the game but were content to patiently push and probe at West Ham whereas I would've preferred that we took the game by the scruff of the neck. WHU kept giving us the ball back but we struggled to really break them down and we could've ended up walking away from that with another undeserved 0 points if it wasn't for Patrício.

Delighted to get our first win. I think over the course of the 4 games we've deserved more than 5 points so I'm delighted that we got that late winner. Going into the international break with 2 or 3, as could've easily been the case today, would've been so unfair.

A word on West Ham United and their abomination of a football ground. I had a great day out but that was NOT West Ham away. We got a quick tube out to Hackney Wick, sat in the sun sipping brilliant craft beer in an appallingly hipster brewpub with unisex toilets, Aikiwolf had a pizza with banana and lentils on it, we walked along a picture perfect canal, the only obstruction being the old man on a bike with a wicker basket on the front ringing his bell at us as he cycled past and then went to watch a football game in one of the weirdest 'venues' I've ever been to. I've never done Fulham away but I imagine that it's a bit like that, just more charming. It was fun, I had a nice day, but IMO West Ham United Football Club have ceased to exist. What I saw yesterday was like a zombie version of the old club. It would be like if Wolves moved to Stratford upon Avon. We MUST stay at Molineux.

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Forget the over the top breakdown of Traore and let's concentrate on the biggest crime EVER.. Pizza with bananas and lentils on?

The World should just end right now.
 
Forget the over the top breakdown of Traore and let's concentrate on the biggest crime EVER.. Pizza with bananas and lentils on?

The World should just end right now.
The Kashmiri Dahl one. It actually looked really good...
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The prices are eye watering for what you get. Margherita - £9 for some cherry tomatoes, mozarella cheese and basil!
 
There's an Italian restaurant in Frome that charge £12 for a margherita. Frome FFS.
 
Sky Ratings v Tim ratings
Wolves: Patricio (9)Tim says 8, Doherty (8)Tim says 8, Bennett (7)Tim says 8, Coady (7)Tim says 7, Boly (6)Tim says 6, Jonny (6)Tim says 7, Neves (7)Tim says 7, Moutinho (7)Tim says 9, Jota (6)Tim says 6, Costa (6)Tim says 7, Jimenez (6)Tim says 7.

Subs: Traore (7)Tim says 7, Bonatini (6)Tim says 7, Vinagre (n/a)
 
The Kashmiri Dahl one. It actually looked really good...
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It was SUPURB, it was basically just a curry with a cheesey naan. Epic.

However it was the most prentious food I've eaten pre match since Bristol away and the gnocchi....
 
Watched MOTD this morning and it was really noticeable how far forward Doherty was for vast parts of the game. Away from home, that seems a sign that we were really comfortable.

We are a side that looks like it has every player knowing their role, the formation fits, and we look really solid. West Ham look like they are very unsure about all of that. Maybe not a shock when they have gone from conservative (Count of Monte Bisto) to expansive (Bilic) to conservative (Moyes) to expansive again (Pellegrini). They need to find a style of play and stick with it. The chopping and changing does them no favours at all. On top of that they are playing 38 away games a season as their fans despise the new ground. I fervently hope that the porno dwarves have got it sufficiently wrong that they drop this season.
 
Watched MOTD this morning and it was really noticeable how far forward Doherty was for vast parts of the game. Away from home, that seems a sign that we were really comfortable.

We are a side that looks like it has every player knowing their role, the formation fits, and we look really solid. West Ham look like they are very unsure about all of that. Maybe not a shock when they have gone from conservative (Count of Monte Bisto) to expansive (Bilic) to conservative (Moyes) to expansive again (Pellegrini). They need to find a style of play and stick with it. The chopping and changing does them no favours at all. On top of that they are playing 38 away games a season as their fans despise the new ground. I fervently hope that the porno dwarves have got it sufficiently wrong that they drop this season.
Doc was effectively playing as the IF with Costa supplying the width. It was too noticible for it to be coincidence so it was clearly a tactic.
 
Great watching the highlights on MOTD seeing how assured we are, amazing seeing our Wolves like this. I love watching Rui Patricio, what a great goalkeeper we have at our club. Neves did well winning the ball in the build up to the goal and a nice pass from Bonatini to Traore who really displayed his pace in beating Cresswell.

Listening to Shearer's comments made me very proud and aďded to the feel good factor I've had all evening about the win. Even Nuno seemed happy in the interview!

Just one downside... Moutinho has shaved his fine beard off!
 
Traore who really displayed his pace in beating Cresswell.

It wasn't even a contest was it? It was pretty fucking embarrassing to be fair!
 
Shearer was quite animated in his description of Adama going from six yards behind to five yards in front in less than two seconds. To be fair to Cresswell, he slowed as his plan was clearly to trip Traore.
 
Doc was effectively playing as the IF with Costa supplying the width. It was too noticible for it to be coincidence so it was clearly a tactic.

Yep they rotated quite often and especially in the first half it got us into some really good positions in final third only for us to play it safe/lose it/shit cross.
 
Also, I hadn't realised that brilliant pass by Neves to Doherty was just before Raul's chance. Wonderful technique.
 
What a day! From the superb beers in Crate through to visiting the most soulless ground I've visited

A word on West Ham United and their abomination of a football ground. I had a great day out but that was NOT West Ham away. We got a quick tube out to Hackney Wick, sat in the sun sipping brilliant craft beer in an appallingly hipster brewpub with unisex toilets, Aikiwolf had a pizza with banana and lentils on it, we walked along a picture perfect canal, the only obstruction being the old man on a bike with a wicker basket on the front ringing his bell at us as he cycled past and then went to watch a football game in one of the weirdest 'venues' I've ever been to. I've never done Fulham away but I imagine that it's a bit like that, just more charming. It was fun, I had a nice day, but IMO West Ham United Football Club have ceased to exist. What I saw yesterday was like a zombie version of the old club. It would be like if Wolves moved to Stratford upon Avon. We MUST stay at Molineux.

Also, first trip to London Stadium since the Paralympics, it's still such a good stadium. I live about 20 minutes' walk from it and the Olympic Park is such a great space as well. Just... it's rubbish for football.

Only just back in the land of the living after what was a very long day. Also drank around Hackney Wick, some nice beers, but was out of money within 30mins!

Around the ground is lovely, proslo you're lucky to live nearby. The ground is awful for football. I was lucky to be in the lower tier, which felt slightly closer to the action, but the corner flag the other end of the pitch must give St. James Park a run for it's money of being the furthest away from the fans.

It's not West Ham though. After the match singing on the way to the station whilst their fans surrounded us. That never happened at the old ground without a trip to a&e.
 
For me the most disappointing thing about yesterday was discovering that Keys and Gray are still in gainful employment. But it could have been much worse than that. Our games seem to be following a pattern of being almost equally likely to produce any result. We've played one shit team, one great one and two decent ones, and in every instance we've both both created enough opportunities to have won and conceded enough opportunities to have lost. Pretty happy with the way we've started, though. Yes, there's room for improvement, but the good thing is that we have the capacity in the team/squad to do so.
 
Patricio in Garth Crooks team of the week. Apparently without him we would have lost. Okaay...
 
Patricio in Garth Crooks team of the week. Apparently without him we would have lost. Okaay...

I think Garth Crooks is stealing a living just as much as the next guy, but that’s a fair assessment. He made a couple of superb saves and that kept us in the game.
 
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