Villa 0-0 Wolves: Verdict Thread

[Jinky]

Who do you think was not trying, Jinks?

Apart from Cutrone and José, they're fair game as they haven't tried, they're bone fucking idle the pair of them.

Sorry, was eating my lunch and the conversation has moved on!

Not so much “not trying”, but more that a few of them didn’t look bothered in the least, that we were putting in abysmal performances at one point. Donk, Semedo, Adama at various points, to name a few. Boly walking off and having a laugh with the opposition when we’d just lost (was that against Albion?!). I’m sure they were all trying, but as fans, you want to see a better or different attitude.

 

[Tredman]

Or we could stick with the formation which has served us, and fits our players, so well. It’s not the formation which makes our tactics conservative.

 

[Wolvensam]

I agree, and argued as much the other day, but realistically if we want to get back to 'best of the rest' playing a back 4 then, hand on heart, even the most optimistic Coady fan won't want that pairing as first choice for the season.

We've not upgraded the CB's since we came up, and if we want to move away from having to set up to protect them every game above all other considerations then we need a fresh injection of quality there, and I don't mean someone who'll need two seasons till they can grow a beard

Fair enough mate. Like I say, I'm not stating they're the answer - I want to sign a CB, I just don't think we're going to splash the cash for one which we all know we need to do.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I don't think we "play a back 7" because of Semedo.

We did keep Neves on the halfway line as cover for when Doherty went marauding forwards and jogged back.

Who knows why we play it but we do. Neves playing CB has been an issue forever and it still happens.

That also makes a mockery of Coadys “distribution” as we have Neves standing next to him doing the same job.

 

[redvictor]

We are just too conservative, the players know it and don't make attacking runs because we play gutless football and rarely get the ball in the box.

Once you've bust a gut to get in the box so many times to see us check back and start passing it backwards ending at our own keepers hands. It must be fucking annoying.

I am not sticking up for Jose or Fabio. BTW I think they are both no where near the standards we need. Fabio is young obviously but I've seen enough to think that this "super talent" may be nothing but hype.

One of the Newcastle players called out Mrs Doubtfire for being a coward, I'm sure our players are feeling a little way along this line. Nuno has always been a defensive manager, it will be very hard for that to change.

It fucking annoys me, so i'd imagine the players even more!

 

[YoungWolf]

Fair enough mate. Like I say, I'm not stating they're the answer - I want to sign a CB, I just don't think we're going to splash the cash for one which we all know we need to do.

Spiers reckons it is it the top priority (I know, I know), and we've been linked with a couple of centre backs already that fit the mould.

I have question marks over how our recruitment will identify the right guy, other than us having some luck with Mendes (hello, Militao) but I am pretty confident it's top of our list.

 

[Wolvensam]

Who knows why we play it but we do. Neves playing CB has been an issue forever and it still happens.

That also makes a mockery of Coadys “distribution” as we have Neves standing next to him doing the same job.

I think defensive solidity was Nuno's answer to getting us out of a rut and it worked, but it's horrendous to watch as we don't create enough. He knows this too which is why he tried to change to a back four in the first place - it was just a dumb move when training ground time is at a premium at the moment.

 

[Johnny75]

i would love to think Coady would be a good first choice at centre back in a back four but he just isn't. Never will be. The role he has played for the last three and a half years has suited him perfectly, but if we are to go to a back four a starting centre back to go next to Boly is imperative.

Thing is we could be very attacking with a back 3 if we wanted to. All 3 are capable of moving forward with the ball and when they do passing forward and hoping attacks but for some reason Nuno doesn't want this.

Donk went on a good surging run yesterday and there was a good chance of an overload of he passed forward to Neto but he stops as he gets 5 yards beyond halfway, turns and passes it backwards 30 yards. It clearly had to be tactical and it's infuriating to watch

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I guess you can't see what I can.

And I've explained plenty. He's playing not least of all to let Silva develop because he's not ready yet.

I'm fine with the concept of a largely non-scoring striker taking the heat off an 18 year old, holding the ball up, keeping possession, linking play, bringing our wide men into key areas, winning the ball in the air and working hard for the team.

The problem is that nothing after the first comma of that paragraph fits Willian José, he does none of that. What we have is a non-scoring striker with the touch of a housebrick, with no strength, no pace and no movement.

I do admire your ability to see what isn't there, like.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I think defensive solidity was Nuno's answer to getting us out of a rut and it worked, but it's horrendous to watch as we don't create enough. He knows this too which is why he tried to change to a back four in the first place - it was just a dumb move when training ground time is at a premium at the moment.

He’s doing the same as what we were doing in July...

 

[Tony Towner]

Name some for me then, who we could realistically attract. I'm honestly not being difficult, I'm just interested.

I'll give you Dunk and Tarkowski but they would likely be £30m minimum.

They'd be £40m, but there's 2.
I wouldn't want most of these, but it displays how much I think you over estimate Coady.
Centre halves who are better in a back 4 who don't play for a traditional Top 6 side or Leicester
Mings
Konsa
Keane
Godfrey
Cahill
Mee
Tarkowski
Lascelles
White
Webster
Dunk

 

[Wolvensam]

Spiers reckons it is it the top priority (I know, I know), and we've been linked with a couple of centre backs already that fit the mould.

I have question marks over how our recruitment will identify the right guy, other than us having some luck with Mendes (hello, Militao) but I am pretty confident it's top of our list.

I think a CM is more of a priority, but CB is up there.

Yes my problem is the recruitment aspect too - all signs point to loaning a young player and bedding them in. Unless, like you say, there's a right player at the right time situation - see Silva and Semedo.

 

[redvictor]

I'm fine with the concept of a largely non-scoring striker taking the heat off an 18 year old, holding the ball up, keeping possession, linking play, bringing our wide men into key areas, winning the ball in the air and working hard for the team.

The problem is that nothing after the first comma of that paragraph fits Willian José, he does none of that. What we have is a non-scoring striker with the touch of a housebrick, with no strength, no pace and no movement.

I do admire your ability to see what isn't there, like.

He's stronger than Fabio.....

 

[Johnny75]

I'm fine with the concept of a largely non-scoring striker taking the heat off an 18 year old, holding the ball up, keeping possession, linking play, bringing our wide men into key areas, winning the ball in the air and working hard for the team.

The problem is that nothing after the first comma of that paragraph fits Willian José, he does none of that. What we have is a non-scoring striker with the touch of a housebrick, with no strength, no pace and no movement.

I do admire your ability to see what isn't there, like.

I imagine it is hard to see that WJ does everything in that first paragraph but work hard

Hard to see through one eye I would think.

 

[Wolvensam]

They'd be £40m, but there's 2.
I wouldn't want most of these, but it displays how much I think you over estimate Coady.
Centre halves who are better in a back 4 who don't play for a traditional Top 6 side or Leicester
Mings
Konsa
Keane
Godfrey
Cahill
Mee
Tarkowski
Lascelles
White
Webster

I like Konsa and Tarkowski. I'd not sure I'd take the others - I've never really rated Mings.

White would be ridiculously expensive and is all potential.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He's stronger than Fabio.....

I'm not sure he is. I haven't seen him hold a defender off once. If he's challenged then he loses it. If not then he taps it back a couple of yards then stands still.

 

[redvictor]

They'd be £40m, but there's 2.
I wouldn't want most of these, but it displays how much I think you over estimate Coady.
Centre halves who are better in a back 4 who don't play for a traditional Top 6 side or Leicester
Mings
Konsa
Keane
Godfrey
Cahill
Mee
Tarkowski
Lascelles
White
Webster

It depends who you have next to you. Coady has Donk currently. That says it all..

 

[Wolvensam]

Godfrey and Keane also wouldn't leave Everton.

We'd stand a chance at Dunk I think but he's not a stereotypical Wolves/Nuno signing.

 

[redvictor]

I'm not sure he is. I haven't seen him hold a defender off once. If he's challenged then he loses it. If not then he taps it back a couple of yards then stands still.

As in stature. I didn't mention strength as in using it..

 

[prawnking]

Fair enough mate. Like I say, I'm not stating they're the answer - I want to sign a CB, I just don't think we're going to splash the cash for one which we all know we need to do.

I hope you're wrong, because I wonder what else we'd be splashing our cash on?

Since we were promoted we've signed an upgrade player for every position in the team: GK, wing/full-backs, centre mid, wide forwards, striker, all except centre-back.

Tbh I'd be prioritising signing one even if we were persisting with three at the back