Trump

[Lycan]

I think there is a possibility that the UK looks more favourable that the rest of the EU for exporting to the US. Whether this translates into anything tangible is another matter

There's also a danger that UK manufacturers will be undercut by those from countries the worst hit by US tarrifs. US consumers are going to be absolutely shafted by this.

 

[Tredman]

There's also a danger that UK manufacturers will be undercut by those from countries the worst hit by US tarrifs. US consumers are going to be absolutely shafted by this.

Thats a huge risk I think - we will be flooded by cheap goods which will further depress manufacturing and wages.

 

[AndyWolves]

There's also a danger that UK manufacturers will be undercut by those from countries the worst hit by US tarrifs. US consumers are going to be absolutely shafted by this.

That's a great point, is there a chance that because no one wants to export to the US anymore goods will be cheaper to purchase?

 

[Lycan]

That's a great point, is there a chance that because no one wants to export to the US anymore goods will be cheaper to purchase?

Might be good for UK buyers in the short term, yeah. Terrible for our manufacturing base though and if wages stagnate and unemployment rises that's good for absolutely nobody. It's a castle built on sand and Trump has just pissed in the moat.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

I think the idea is, to make buying cheap imported products from China and Asia more expensive, so that US citizens buy US products, which will create work for Americans.
America first and fuck everyone else is how it appears to be.

 

[Lycan]

I think the idea is, to make buying cheap imported products from China and Asia more expensive, so that US citizens buy US products, which will create work for Americans.
America first and fuck everyone else is how it appears to be.

It's never been about making work for Americans. You heard him earlier 'It's a great time to get rich'. It's about using the money generated from tarrifs to give billionaires tax breaks.

This will be devastating for 99.9% of Americans.

 

[Alan]

I think the idea is, to make buying cheap imported products from China and Asia more expensive, so that US citizens buy US products, which will create work for Americans.

Problem with that logic (which is the logic they’re following) is that China has more or less cornered the global market for raw materials. It won’t just be “finished” foreign goods being hit.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Speaking purely in terms of my board game publishing business, manufacturing anywhere other than China is difficult. There is no possibility of doing it in the US or UK: we tried using a UK print company and the cost was more than 3 times the cost of using a manufacturer in China, and that includes shipping. To distribute into retailers we would need to sell our game for more than £50 and no-one is paying that. There are no mass production manufacturers in the US that are viable if we want to retail there. There are factories we could use in Poland and Estonia but they are still almost twice the cost of Chinese manufacturers.

This is very definitely putting our plans of exporting to the US on hold while we assess and evaluate, despite the USA being responsible for 54% of worldwide board game sales. It's a setback in terms of our potential growth, but just means we are going to have think of a strategy to pivot to. Translation into German looking more appealing @Deutsch Wolf

 

[leedswolf]

It's never been about making work for Americans. You heard him earlier 'It's a great time to get rich'. It's about using the money generated from tarrifs to give billionaires tax breaks.

This will be devastating for 99.9% of Americans.

Trump's first term tariffs actually increased the US trade deficit...

 

[Dire Wolf]

I think the point was made yesterday, this isn't about the economy. This is about power and control and it's about making the extremely wealthy even richer.

 

[leedswolf]

 

[Sniffer]

Don’t forget that in the main it’s not Chinese companies dominating American high streets and selling their goods to the market. American companies have chosen to go down the route of buying cheaper products from the abroad and closing manufacturing to make more money in a less stressful way.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Don’t forget that in the main it’s not Chinese companies dominating American high streets and selling their goods to the market. American companies have chosen to go down the route of buying cheaper products from the abroad and closing manufacturing to make more money in a less stressful way.

I'm pretty sure Apple and Nike don't manufacture in the US. Just setting up their own factories to start making their products in the US could take years, not to mention the materials they need would also have to be imported. Probably from China. The whole argument about American people being able to buy American products is just nonsense.

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

On the basis that it says reciprocal US tariffs which have been proven to be absolute fiction I’d guess that the chart shown is not correct.

The chart is bullshit. Its not even remotely based on tariffs targeting US goods


The Trump Administration ended up using a simple calculation: Each country’s U.S. trade deficit divided by its exports to the U.S.. The final reciprocal tariff was then divided by 2, with a minimum of 10%.

Why Economists Are Horrified by Trump's Tariff Math

"These are not reciprocal tariffs in their true meaning," argues one associate professor of economics.

time.com

So even countries that the US ran a surplus on were hit by 10%.

It's a tool so companies or industries pledge allegiance and given financial backing to Trump to get exempted

 

[EpsomWolf]

Probably missing something obvious here but presumably if the intention is to stop imported products being sold at prices US companies can’t compete with then all they’re going to achieve (in the short to medium term at least) is just upping everything to a high-price level playing field and removing accessibility to cheap products altogether?

Pretty clear who would be hit the hardest in that scenario.

 

[lemonjelly]

I'm pretty sure Apple and Nike don't manufacture in the US. Just setting up their own factories to start making their products in the US could take years, not to mention the materials they need would also have to be imported. Probably from China. The whole argument about American people being able to buy American products is just nonsense.

Dunno about apple, but I believe Nike design only. They outsourced all production years ago.
This means they have phenomenally low overheads, and severely restricts their liabilities.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Dunno about apple, but I believe Nike design only. They outsourced all production years ago.
This means they have phenomenally low overheads, and severely restricts their liabilities.

Nike reportedly manufacture in Vietnam who have been hit by very high tariffs. Presumably if Adidas and Puma manufacture in either Germany or China they will now have a competitive advantage over Nike who cannot possibly start manufacturing in the US for years. At a stroke Trump has just given the largest sportswear manufacturer in the world a massive headache.

 

[Alan]

Nike’s profit margin tends to be quite a bit higher than their direct competitors given they don’t do any manufacturing outside of SE Asia IIRC. They’re a rare party I don’t care about being negatively impacted.

 

[North Shropshire Lad]

Speaking purely in terms of my board game publishing business, manufacturing anywhere other than China is difficult. There is no possibility of doing it in the US or UK: we tried using a UK print company and the cost was more than 3 times the cost of using a manufacturer in China, and that includes shipping. To distribute into retailers we would need to sell our game for more than £50 and no-one is paying that. There are no mass production manufacturers in the US that are viable if we want to retail there. There are factories we could use in Poland and Estonia but they are still almost twice the cost of Chinese manufacturers.

This is very definitely putting our plans of exporting to the US on hold while we assess and evaluate, despite the USA being responsible for 54% of worldwide board game sales. It's a setback in terms of our potential growth, but just means we are going to have think of a strategy to pivot to. Translation into German looking more appealing @Deutsch Wolf

If you sell individual games to consumers in the US there is currently no change via postal customs clearance (commercial carriers go via commercial customs clearance and my understanding is that they will be impacted). How long this lasts for is an unknown but the $800 deminimis is still currently effective

 

[Dire Wolf]

If you sell individual games to consumers in the US there is currently no change via postal customs clearance (commercial carriers go via commercial customs clearance and my understanding is that they will be impacted). How long this lasts for is an unknown but the $800 deminimis is still currently effective

Thanks. We were looking into selling on Amazon US and having hundreds of copies of our game at FBA Centres and possible distributors to ship to Board Game Shops in the US. We'll probably just wait and see what happens and focus on the UK and maybe European translation for the foreseeable future. Maybe go to the Winchester until this all blows over...