The wolves Way

[BlueSkies]

Year before.

Quite surprising.

I'd say it shows pretty much wages are closely linked to league positions bearing in mind 7 or 8 places can be separated by tiny margins of 6 points or so. Infact there are only 8 points between 8th and 17th which is 3 wins http://www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=england_2013

 

[Parkins left foot]

The assumption from one individual is that this is the way Wolves have gone about things financially in the past and has extrapolated that into the future.

If we get ourselves back into the Premier we may well do things differently, maybe people learned lessons from last time. Again we may not, but at this point nobody knows.

Its all academic till we actually manage part 1 which is to get promoted

 

[BlueSkies]

For the, I dunno, 5th or 6th time (?) - who said wages don't matter?

You said its a "fantasy" that a team like Wolves can compete in the Premier League. I showed you a case from literally last season of that not being true and now you're trying to weasel out of it. Wolves & Southampton are similar clubs in the grand scheme of things (Wolves and Crewe are not). It is completely achievable to win promotion, stabilise our position there and eventually aim for European football. Competing with the likes of Manchester City/United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc a little less so, but then that wasn't the debate in the first place.

Wolves are a bigger club than Southampton in my opinion but more closely run to Crewe in finances .. that's the difference and all that matters in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps Crewe is melodramatic but are you honestly suggesting we would ever get close to 55 million wages a season under our current footballing philosophy. Not a chance in hell

 

[BlueSkies]

The assumption from one individual is that this is the way Wolves have gone about things financially in the past and has extrapolated that into the future.

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Is it more logical to assume we are going to continue status quo which has been in evidence for nearly a decade or suddenly change based on hope? How many transfer windows are people waiting around hoping for "lessons to be learned" as you say before the penny finally drops? How many more years will it take ?

 

[Rhoswolf]

What I am basically saying is there is no blue print for footballing success at all at the club so why would anyone want to return to the premier league where we have not only a track record of not competing but even attempting to. As Frank correctly says , money isn't everything in the 70s but it was a different era and who wants to torture themselves seeing us getting battered by clubs that are more heavily funded both in transfer fees and particularly wages where we are clinging on for dear life week in week out. The closest model to how we are being run is Crewe Alexandra , a club relying on its youth trying to self fund but obviously on a bigger scale. I don't understand how anyone can believe we can possibly compete in the premiership with how the club has been run during the last 8 years which is why I said , we need to lower ambitions and accept we are never likely to compete in the top flight again unless the complete structure of the club is changed top to bottom. Instead of crying about it, embrace the youth coming through, limited expenditure and realise last season constituted us over achieving otherwise its going to be a long period of disappointment in store.

Rarely post and can see emotions are running high but find it difficult not to agree with much of this post. Was it not Mr Moxey who stated there was a direct correlation between wages paid and league position?

 

[Penk Wolf]

I'd say it shows pretty much wages are closely linked to league positions bearing in mind 7 or 8 places can be separated by tiny margins of 6 points or so. Infact there are only 8 points between 8th and 17th which is 3 wins http://www.soccerstats.com/latest.asp?league=england_2013

I think it also shows that wages have gone up considerably since we were last there.

I don't think it would be too much to conclude that we would be paying £50m plus in wages if we were still there.

I think Brendan Rodgers has screwed Southampton's position significantly by giving them extra funds to rebuild their team.

I think it's going to get more and more difficult for the newly promoted teams to survive, unless their owner takes a risk and I'm not sure Morgan or Moxey will take that risk.

 

[Johnny75]

I'm not bent out of shape , I'm quoting what teams paid in wages, how there is a fairly direct correlation between wages and league position with obvious exceptions and how IMV there is no point in going back to the premiership with our budget as it is.

Do you think our budget will be the same in the PL as it is now? What makes you think that?

 

[Penk Wolf]

Is it more logical to assume we are going to continue status quo which has been in evidence for nearly a decade or suddenly change based on hope? How many transfer windows are people waiting around hoping for "lessons to be learned" as you say before the penny finally drops? How many more years will it take ?

This is the make or break window for me. They no longer have the excuse of high earners and this should be the window that they bring in the players that are needed. Whether the players brought in will be the correct ones is a different argument, but the board needs to make sure the tools are there.

So far, it doesn't look as if they are prepared to do that little bit more.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Is it more logical to assume we are going to continue status quo which has been in evidence for nearly a decade or suddenly change based on hope? How many transfer windows are people waiting around hoping for "lessons to be learned" as you say before the penny finally drops? How many more years will it take ?

May well be proved to be correct & if we get there we will find out, but I have found it dangerous to make too many assumptions in other areas of life that what has happened before will dictate what happens in the future to be any more certain on this point as any other.

What is true is that the riches to be obtained are considerably higher than the last time we were there only 2 years ago - one would hope (though not assume) that that at least has some impact.

 

[BlueSkies]

Do you think our budget will be the same in the PL as it is now? What makes you think that?

No , I thinkwe will remain in the bottom 3 wage payers again like we did in 2009/10 10/11 11/12, continually losing out on transfer targets meaning we are celebrating each point like the holy grail culminating in inevitable failure. You cant possibly expect any success with a philosophy of just winging it with cheap young players and I refuse to buy into that rubbish.

 

[Johnny75]

So humour me, what would you change at the club if we went up to make sure we didn't end up as the 3rd lowest wage payers in the PL?

(personally I would change the manager and CEO, but that is my opinion).

 

[PuntsWolf]

So after all this we have finally accepted that it is only your opinion we won't spend.

Well that we fun

 

[Nando]

Obscene to be advocating replacing Kenny. There are bits he needs to improve on but you can say the same for just about any manager.

 

[Rhoswolf]

This is the make or break window for me. They no longer have the excuse of high earners and this should be the window that they bring in the players that are needed. Whether the players brought in will be the correct ones is a different argument, but the board needs to make sure the tools are th
So far, it doesn't look as if they are prepared to do that little bit more.

Agreed, the next few weeks will be quite revealing. I think unless k Mac leaves there will be little movement, maybe a couple of loan signings, goalie and striker, time will tell. Personally can't wait for Blackburn away and leave all the speculation behind.

 

[BlueSkies]

So humour me, what would you change at the club if we went up to make sure we didn't end up as the 3rd lowest wage payers in the PL?

(personally I would change the manager and CEO, but that is my opinion).

Why would you want to change a manager who has overachieved with a grossly underfunded squad losing out on target after target last summer and almost certainly this? If we had acquired even a few of jacketts targets last summer such as Callum Wilson etc we would be probably playing premier league football this season yet our version of pushing the boat out on wages is a 54 day loan for Graham and Sadbo from Hull. Let's get real, who would achieve more than Jackett with the scrimping transfer policy of Wolves where transfer target A,B and C end up at the likes of Bournemouth/Brentford and we end up with Z , a talentless no hoper like sadbo brought in as a last resort. I don't understand any negativity/ vitriol towards Jackett , who would you replace him with that could convince potential player targets to adopt a wage cut compared to other clubs and do it for "the love of wolves"? The conditions aren't in place for footballing success at wolves, it doesn't matter who becomes manager so why sack Jackett as you imply Johnny

 

[BlueSkies]

So after all this we have finally accepted that it is only your opinion we won't spend.

Well that we fun

no just 8 years of transfer windows

 

[PuntsWolf]

no just 8 years of transfer windows

[emoji476]

 

[Parkins left foot]

Wouldn't object to changing the CEO (not that I have anything personally against him particularly), but he's been there over 10 years & a new face/way of thinking can quite often galvanise an organisation.

The longest I have done any one job in one place is 8 yrs & know that I was getting stale sometime before I moved on elsewhere.

 

[Langers]

This is something I firmly believe in and will ultimately take the club on to the next level. We have seen how the likes of Portsmouth and Leeds have got on spending large sums of money subsequently meaning Mr Morgan has wisely decided to adopt a young and hungry approach without spending crippling fees which may take the club to bankruptcy and wisely so in my view. This is clearly a strategy we are taking so let's get behind the boys; do we really want mercenaries with high wages at the club who are merely here for the financial rewards? Lets bring through young talent and if that means several years in the championship building then so be it as the premiership is overrated anyway with its overhyped garbage served up. I would rather see us compete and beat clubs in the championship instead of losing week in week out to the likes of United, Arsenal and dare I say with their new owners even West Brom. The sad truth of modern football is we cant compete with these clubs and if we can finish top ten this season with a slim chance of playoffs playing attractive expansive football I think we would all be happy with that. For some reason wolves fans never have any patience but it's a long term project and we need to utilise patience to witness the progression continue . I get more pleasure seeing young local lads given their opportunity than paying over the odds for foreign players and if that means championship football for the foreseeable future then so be it as the quality of competitive football in the championship outweighs the misery of premier league beatings every day of the week. It's quite evident the main reason we miss out on so many players is due to the fact they don't want to be here which I don't believe is wage related but if it is do we really want money grabbing mercenaries here anyway? Lets keep our faith in what Jackett has achieved so far and long may the "wolves way " continue

This is the opening post in the thread.

Things can change very quickly indeed, can't they?

 

[Johnny75]

The conditions aren't in place for footballing success at wolves, it doesn't matter who becomes manager so why sack Jackett as you imply Johnny

Before I entertain your question I would like you to answer mine. I have my reasons which I will explain after you've told me what you would change. You can make that right now or if we get to the PL. And that's the club infrastructure and staff not playing staff.