The Transfer Thread 2022/23- Everything not Wolves

[YoungWolf]

Almost like it's proper recruitment.

Palace are a well run club now. Some excellent additions over the last 2 or 3 seasons in Eze, Olise, Guehii, Anderson and now Lerma, and all for less than Silva and Guedes.

They're a striker and manager away from being a good top 10 team.

And a right back, my god do they need a right back.

They definitely try to do things sensibly and have made big investments into their academy too but just like us they are only a bad season from a disaster situation for them.

 

[Johnny75]

And a right back, my god do they need a right back.

They definitely try to do things sensibly and have made big investments into their academy too but just like us they are only a bad season from a disaster situation for them.

It seems to be managers with them for a bizarre reason.

Fosun got lucky with Nuno and now Lop, I find it bizarre they don't back these men more. Look at Bloom and Benham and how they do it.

 

[YoungWolf]

It seems to be managers with them for a bizarre reason.

Fosun got lucky with Nuno and now Lop, I find it bizarre they don't back these men more. Look at Bloom and Benham and how they do it.

I really liked most of what Vieira was doing tbf then it just seemed to fall apart.

Bloom and Benham are outliers in my opinion, smarter than the rest been able to take advantage of everyone else’s lack of understanding of analytics too. Be interesting to see what happens and how they progress once everyone else figures that out too.

 

[Johnny75]

I really liked most of what Vieira was doing tbf then it just seemed to fall apart.

Bloom and Benham are outliers in my opinion, smarter than the rest been able to take advantage of everyone else’s lack of understanding of analytics too. Be interesting to see what happens and how they progress once everyone else figures that out too.

FSG were the first iirc.

Different strategies for different clubs. Clearly the Qataris and Saudis have a strategy which works for them and Bloom, Benham and FSG a different one.

We are in the group of owners who are clueless and as you point out that's the majority.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Palace are a well run club now.

Palace fans would not particularly agree with you on that one.

 

[Johnny75]

Palace fans would not particularly agree with you on that one.

Some will and some won't, same as every club.

Can't argue with their team and position in the football world over the last decade. Not hard to argue they've recruited better than us over the last 3 seasons with less money.

Neither owner has improved their ground and only one club has a rapidly deteriorating relationship with fans.

 

[Carrotdude]

I really liked most of what Vieira was doing tbf then it just seemed to fall apart.

Bloom and Benham are outliers in my opinion, smarter than the rest been able to take advantage of everyone else’s lack of understanding of analytics too. Be interesting to see what happens and how they progress once everyone else figures that out too.

Vieira parking Eze on the bench for months was utterly bizarre.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Some will and some won't, same as every club.

Can't argue with their team and position in the football world over the last decade. Not hard to argue they've recruited better than us over the last 3 seasons with less money.

Neither owner has improved their ground and only one club has a rapidly deteriorating relationship with fans.

Very easy to paint Fosun's ownership as an unmitigated success from an outside point of view when you look at what they picked up in 2016.

I don't think Wolves fans are particularly at war with the owners.

 

[Johnny75]

Very easy to paint Fosun's ownership as an unmitigated success from an outside point of view when you look at what they picked up in 2016.

I don't think Wolves fans are particularly at war with the owners.

We'll see how the summer goes.

Losing Neves, Nunes and others and not replacing them or just not signing a striker may well sort that relationship quickly.

There's also quite a few that don't like Fosun.

Aside from that I found this article interesting:

Goals | No Mercy / No Malice

In the past 30 days I’ve been approached by three groups asking if I’m interested in joining a consortium to bid on European football clubs. The prospect violates two of my core investing tenets: stoicism, and boring > sexy. I try to remain unemotional and avoid investments with sex appeal...

www.profgalloway.com

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's a lot of ifs there.

You didn't get any marked outright anti-Fosun stuff when we appointed Lage, retained Lage or put a League Two caretaker in charge for 20% of the season. Sellars got some partly undeserved stick and that's it. We were bottom of the league and shit, and it didn't happen.

You aren't going to get open revolt, just won't happen. Plus there's no alternative.

 

[Del Woppio]

We've got far too many club simps who'll parrot whatever narrative is fucked into them for their to be any serious revolt. I think a fair majority of our fans will defend anything and everything these days because they feel it gives them superfan points. Dissenting voices are shot down as either 'not being real fans' or basically being stupid and not understanding football, its politics or its operations. And if all of that fails then there's the fall back of 'we aren't in league one/going out of business/losing to chorley so stop moaning'.

The club didn't even reference the price increases nevermind try to justify them. The club haven't said anything about Lopetegui's unhappiness, they didn't say anything about Lage, or Nuno, or whatever. They don't need to, because there's an army of wetwipes that do it for them for nothing.

Take Lage, first it was 'we're tenth, what do you expect, Wolves to win the World Cup?' then it was 'they've taken the decision you wanted and you're still moaning, you'll never be happy'. We'll yeah I'm moaning because they've done shit things, and just about managing to clean up the mess doesn't mean you haven't fucked up in the first place

 

[Tony Towner]

See FFP discussions over the last week for details, people including those who should know better swallowing it because that's what the club want them to believe. It'll be interesting to see if that changes now someone credible has said that the Summer strategy is not driven by it

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I've been in some seriously toxic Molineux environments. Including where managers who deserved a hell of a lot better given the credit they had in the bank (theoretically) were being vilified.

I never heard any anti-Lage sentiment at home games at all and it was pound for pound some of the worst football I have ever seen, with results along the lines of the worst we'd had since the mid 80s. Less still anti-ownership.

Weirdly there are far more cranks on social media who insist that Nuno was actually shit than people actually attacking the club when they openly lie or take the piss. Don't ask me why.

 

[Alan]

Weirdly there are far more cranks on social media who insist that Nuno was actually shit than people actually attacking the club when they openly lie or take the piss. Don't ask me why.

My take on Nuno is that it's because there are also more people who passionately adore the man. An equal and opposite reaction, if you like.

On Lage, I can only guess, but I'd assert two things:

1) Apathy is perhaps more damning than enmity
2) I think Lage's utter void of a personality allowed to some of the negativity to simply bypass him from conception

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He did have a personality, he was a cunt who absolved himself of all blame for everything and continually fell out with people. He's lucky that Dean Saunders exists.

Maybe it's me, I don't understand our fans a lot of the time. Like they'll line up to pat Middlesbrough fan Nathan "you have to hand it to Vinny Clark" Rioja on the back and have a go at people who are actually invested in the club who voice reasonable concerns about the direction of travel.

 

[Alan]

Outside of the Hoever mess and "80% of training on the attack" I never heard him say one thing even remotely interesting.

He was a matryoshka doll of nonsense. There was barely anything to latch on to there.

 

[AndyWolves]

I have as surprised how quickly the fans went after Scott Sellars. That seemed to escalate really quickly.

 

[Alan]

I have as surprised how quickly the fans went after Scott Sellars. That seemed to escalate really quickly.

That's the power of a picture on Twitter innit.

 

[Tony Towner]

That's the power of a picture on Twitter innit.

It's the power of people not wanting to have a direct go at Fosun because of the potential implications so going at the next best thing.

 

[Del Woppio]

It's the same as dyed in the wool Tories. The closest you'll ever get to "I was wrong, they're cunts" is "they're all the same"