The Summer 2018 Transfer Thread

[Alan]

To be clear, I think keeper is the last place we should be looking right now. We have Ruddy who is at the very least experienced and serviceable, Norris looks the business, and the Danish kid is supposedly very good.

 

[Freddeno]

To be clear, I think keeper is the last place we should be looking right now. We have Ruddy who is at the very least experienced and serviceable, Norris looks the business, and the Danish kid is supposedly very good.

I wouldnt spend £35m on Butland, overpriced but a good keeper i think

 

[Freddeno]

I think we have good players in every position(always room for a bit of improvement everywhere of course), my main transfer target would be a top, top striker..and sign most of the players currently on loan

 

[Tom Hark]

Genuine question: why do people care how much Fosun spend on Butland or anyone else? Is our spending limited by regulation (FPP)? If not, then surely the only important consideration is whether the player concerned is right for our club.

 

[Norman Deeley]

Looking forward to the first signing - after confirming Jota, Boly and Vinagre. Oh, and Alf as well. Will give us a clear indication of where Jeff and Laurie are going shopping

 

[pr0sl0]

I don't know about that - last year our first signing was Ryan Bennett on a free...

 

[YoungWolf]

I don't think we will sign Alf to be fair. I hope we sign Vinagre though.

 

[Premier Quality]

Genuine question: why do people care how much Fosun spend on Butland or anyone else? Is our spending limited by regulation (FPP)? If not, then surely the only important consideration is whether the player concerned is right for our club.

absolutely- I've seen people quibbling over whether butland is worth £25m or £20m. We have nothing to do with transfer fees, and most of the time dont know the details (Up front, in stages, how much is dependent on winning stuff etc), so the fee is almost irrelevant for us. And FPP will be completely under control anyway, Jeff knows what hes doing.

 

[t3ch]

Genuine question: why do people care how much Fosun spend on Butland or anyone else? Is our spending limited by regulation (FPP)? If not, then surely the only important consideration is whether the player concerned is right for our club.

doesn't matter if we have rich owners, we shouldn't be getting bad value for purchases, it's not a viable growth model. their investment isn't bottomless, and only so much goes into the pot every year. we should be maximizing our use of that money. that it's not coming out of our paychecks doesn't make it an irrelevant part of transfer business, and overpaying for players can't be maintained long term. if someone was an absolute home run at a bit of an upcharge that would be OK, but we're talking about Butland @ 35m, not Neuer.

 

[Penk Wolf]

doesn't matter if we have rich owners, we shouldn't be getting bad value for purchases, it's not a viable growth model. their investment isn't bottomless, and only so much goes into the pot every year. we should be maximizing our use of that money. that it's not coming out of our paychecks doesn't make it an irrelevant part of transfer business, and overpaying for players can't be maintained long term. if someone was an absolute home run at a bit of an upcharge that would be OK, but we're talking about Butland @ 35m, not Neuer.

I'd imagine that Wolves and their employees are in a better position than you and me to judge whether £35m for Butland is good value or not.

 

[t3ch]

you are absolutely correct of course. I wouldn't march with "nuno out" signs if they did make that buy.

but that isn't going to stop everyone here from dissecting every rumor/purchase and weighing in with our opinions anyway though, is it? this forum would be very boring indeed if we all felt everything the club and its players did was above discussion. every match day thread filled with, "well they all did better than I could, so"... :icon_lol:

 

[Penk Wolf]

you are absolutely correct of course. I wouldn't march with "nuno out" signs if they did make that buy.

but that isn't going to stop everyone here from dissecting every rumor/purchase and weighing in with our opinions anyway though, is it? this forum would be very boring indeed if we all felt everything the club and its players did was above discussion. every match day thread filled with, "well they all did better than I could, so"... :icon_lol:

No problem with discussing the merits of a rumo(u)r/purchase, but I'm with Tom on how much we spend on a player.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Depends, doesn't it. If we have a finite budget this summer of £100m net on player purchases (exclusive of wages), we can probably only bring in £10-15m at absolute best through sales without losing players that we don't really want to...then you might baulk at spending a third of it on a goalkeeper when we already have two, yet Rafa Mir is the only senior dedicated central striker that we actually own. We also own one right wing back who has started any league games at all in England, and there are plenty of doubts about him.

 

[Tom Hark]

doesn't matter if we have rich owners, we shouldn't be getting bad value for purchases, it's not a viable growth model. their investment isn't bottomless, and only so much goes into the pot every year. we should be maximizing our use of that money. that it's not coming out of our paychecks doesn't make it an irrelevant part of transfer business, and overpaying for players can't be maintained long term. if someone was an absolute home run at a bit of an upcharge that would be OK, but we're talking about Butland @ 35m, not Neuer.

This isn't aimed at you especially (and thanks for engaging), but it's statements like that in bold that I just don't get. The implication as I see it is that we would want him at (say) £20m but not at £35m, but if he's not good enough for the team at £35m then why does he become good enough at £20m? Because we can sell him if he proves to be a failure without losing too much money? Because we can buy two of him (so to speak)? That's not much of a business plan either, if that's the case, because we'll have just shipped a number of goals we shouldn't have and probably potentially lost a damn sight more than £15m in the process. If two players are available at the same price then there's obviously a discussion to be had about which would offer the better value, but simply to say 'I wouldn't want him at that price' seems illogical to me.

 

[Tony Towner]

I was going to post, but Dan has already said most of what I was going to. The only points I'd add is it's not a position of particular need so if we were to strengthen in this area it would need to make sense financially and also we are only allowed a wage budget of £69m(?) this year. We'd be paying him north of £5m of it I'd have thought, so again doesn't make a lot of a sense in a position which would be nice to upgrade but not a necessity.

 

[malta mick]

I would have thought a Ruddy/Norris combo would see us fine for next season. As said there are other areas in greater need of upgrades.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I was going to post, but Dan has already said most of what I was going to. The only points I'd add is it's not a position of particular need so if we were to strengthen in this area it would need to make sense financially and also we are only allowed a wage budget of £69m(?) this year. We'd be paying him north of £5m of it I'd have thought, so again doesn't make a lot of a sense in a position which would be nice to upgrade but not a necessity.

Which both yours and Dan’s is a different argument entirely.

 

[Tony Towner]

Which both yours and Dan’s is a different argument entirely.

It's not,my primary reason is if the budget is around £100m we shouldn't /be spending 1/3 of it on a keeper. If it was 1/6 it would be different, which is broadly what Dan said. I just added additional reasons.

 

[Penk Wolf]

It's not,my primary reason is if the budget is around £100m we shouldn't /be spending 1/3 of it on a keeper. If it was 1/6 it would be different, which is broadly what Dan said. I just added additional reasons.

Sorry, I meant yours and Dan’s is a different argument to whether a player is worth £Xm.

 

[Premier Quality]

We don’t know what the budget is though do we? Some say £80m, some say £250m, no one really has much more than a guess.

£35m for a keeper in the first scenario is a lot of cash. In the second scenario it’s not. Likewise, if he was to be our first choice keeper for the next fifteen years as we win the champions league, it’s probably a good deal.