The Royals

[Wolf Hunting]

... and if they aren't doing anything illegal, then they shouldn't be arrested.

I have a very faint memory that doing almost anything against the monarchy is a bit of a no no...
I think it's technically illegal to scribble on a Pound/five/ten etc pound note. You can't go around sticking up signs sayinf F*** the King/Queen/Pope and all of that. Don't know if it's a proper law thing or just a little by-law.

 

[sycophantia]

I'm assuming the arrests (wrong as they are) are more a law and order issue than anything else. Some of the anti royal protestors seem to have a problem with doing it in a respectful way, could easily kick off.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

The tourism argument is a red herring bar a one off event every couple of decades.

Hmmm, I think that's a bit of a narrow way of looking at it.
A couple of weeks ago I visited Hampton Court Palace which was where Henry VIII lived, in fact whilst walking around the rooms you got a real sense that Henry could have been leaning on the very same door jamb as I did. It's not just the Queen, It's Royalty.
Hampton Court, Tower of London, Kew, Kensington Palace are all Royal Palaces and they are absolutely jammed with tourists. Japanese, American, millions of them from across the world. Spending zillions of pounds. It's a 'Royal thing' not just the Queen has died thing.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I have a very faint memory that doing almost anything against the monarchy is a bit of a no no...
I think it's technically illegal to scribble on a Pound/five/ten etc pound note. You can't go around sticking up signs sayinf F*** the King/Queen/Pope and all of that. Don't know if it's a proper law thing or just a little by-law.

It is illegal to deface a banknote but the reasons have nothing to do with the monarch, it is to prevent counterfeiting.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah, but if we didn't have a monarchy any more (I'm neither pro nor anti, if I had to pick I'd stick with it because we are a country of idiots and we'd elect President Clarkson or something) then you could still go and lean on Big Henry's door if you wanted to. It is definitely a red herring.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Not even the most visited in France or even Paris.

Correct, however it alone gets around 6-8million visitors a year

Palace of Versailles: Tourist Attendance 2017 | Statista

This graph shows the number of people who visited the Palace of Versailles between 2012 and 2017, in millions.

www.statista.com

Where as all of the residences put together don't even get that figure (around 3.3million):

Royal tourism: admissions by establishment UK 2024 | Statista

Statistics on UK Royal Family tourism show that visitors to Buckingham Palace rose to over half a million in 2023/24 but stayed below pre-pandemic levels.

www.statista.com

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Hmmm, I think that's a bit of a narrow way of looking at it.
A couple of weeks ago I visited Hampton Court Palace which was where Henry VIII lived, in fact whilst walking around the rooms you got a real sense that Henry could have been leaning on the very same door jamb as I did. It's not just the Queen, It's Royalty.
Hampton Court, Tower of London, Kew, Kensington Palace are all Royal Palaces and they are absolutely jammed with tourists. Japanese, American, millions of them from across the world. Spending zillions of pounds. It's a 'Royal thing' not just the Queen has died thing.

You're actually arguing against you're own point.

Henry VIII is long dead, and those residences would still be there, they'd still be visited, perhaps more so as more of them would be opened up without a Royal family living in them.

We also wouldn't need to pay for Royal nonce cover ups.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Also good to see that Charles doesn't have to pay inheritance tax. That seems fair, the crown estate is only worth about £15bn. Not like we could do with that money, that he can never and will never personally spend.

 

[Alan]

Also good to see that Charles doesn't have to pay inheritance tax. That seems fair, the crown estate is only worth about £15bn. Not like we could do with that money, that he can never and will never personally spend.

Can't you open your heart (and wallet) to him in his time of need? For shame.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

I'm neither pro nor anti, if I had to pick I'd stick with it because we are a country of idiots and we'd elect President Clarkson or something) then you could still go and lean on Big Henry's door if you wanted to. It is definitely a red herring.

No it's not!
You're a clever lad Dan so I think you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.
Let's substitute Boris for Clarkson, Of course no one is gonna want to look at 10 Downing Street because either of those idiots lived there,
They'll want to see 10 Downing Street because many of the decisions that have brought the country to where it is have been made in that building, over the years. It is one very important element of the government along with Houses of Parliament, it goes back many, many years. (That's the HISTORY of it all).
As does Royalty, It's why we're so good at it. Nobody does pomp and ceremony like the British. The kip is literally heaving with tourists who've flown in in their hundreds of thousands to see as much of this shit as they can.
Your argument about everyone being idiots is half true, because they thought Boris is good, and probably still do.
And I can't believe we're on the cusp of watching America vote that cunt, Trump back in... There's no accounting for it.
But I think that's a different conversation.
If you were to walk around London and ask every foreigner you encountered (Nearly said 'came across' there!) why they were here, you'd get to see historical stuff, and apart from specific museums, a lot of is Royal stuff, you can't possibly say it's a red herring!

 

[Tony Towner]

Hmmm, I think that's a bit of a narrow way of looking at it.
A couple of weeks ago I visited Hampton Court Palace which was where Henry VIII lived, in fact whilst walking around the rooms you got a real sense that Henry could have been leaning on the very same door jamb as I did. It's not just the Queen, It's Royalty.
Hampton Court, Tower of London, Kew, Kensington Palace are all Royal Palaces and they are absolutely jammed with tourists. Japanese, American, millions of them from across the world. Spending zillions of pounds. It's a 'Royal thing' not just the Queen has died thing.

Missing the point by a considerable distance there

 

[AndyWolves]

Tourism might actually be better if we allowed people to go inside these buildings and have a proper look round, which we could do if we no longer had the royals.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Also good to see that Charles doesn't have to pay inheritance tax. That seems fair, the crown estate is only worth about £15bn. Not like we could do with that money, that he can never and will never personally spend.

It's obscene.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

You can't see Downing Street properly...

If I wanted to see the history of British royalty (I don't) then why would I need there to be a serving monarch when I went?

To frame it in the context of something I might actually do, if I went to Munich (I never have) then I'd probably look at the Olympiastadion. Would it mean any less that Bayern haven't played there since 2005? Not in the slightest, it's still where the World Cup final once was and where England beat Germany 5-1.

 

[Mel Evo]

I went to Housesteads on Hadrians Wall and, you won't believe this, not a Roman centurion in sight. Not one. No word of a refund either the bstards.

Don't even get me started on my visit to Machu Picchu.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

Where as all of the residences put together don't even get that figure (around 3.3million):

Royal tourism: admissions by establishment UK 2024 | Statista

Statistics on UK Royal Family tourism show that visitors to Buckingham Palace rose to over half a million in 2023/24 but stayed below pre-pandemic levels.

www.statista.com

That's a little disengenuous, right there. 'The Royal Estate' doesn't include lots of the Royal Palaces.
Hampton court Palace gets over half a million on its own. If you put the Royal Palaces in with some of those smaller places on the estate, the numbers would rocket.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

...why would I need there to be a serving monarch when I went?

You wouldn't.
You can see most of these places whether the King/Queen is alive or not...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yes, that's everyone's point.

"We need to keep the monarchy because of tourism" is a red herring, the people who want to see these things would still come regardless, unless we knocked them all down and built a load of Shard replicas on top. I mean you never know, but I doubt it, in our lifetimes anyway.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

That's a little disengenuous, right there. 'The Royal Estate' doesn't include lots of the Royal Palaces.
Hampton court Palace gets over half a million on its own. If you put the Royal Palaces in with some of those smaller places on the estate, the numbers would rocket.

Why should residences that aren't even occupied be included as a comparison against ONE palace in a country that doesn't even have a monarchy in an discussion against whether we should have a monarchy or not?

 

[Sniffer]

Caption competitions - I'm not here for small talk, I'm here to be seen to support the King and more importantly for the benefit of my Insta profile.

Unionists don't vote for Nationalist parties?