The R.I.P. Thread

[Johnny75]

Every much a victim as all those innocents murdered. The hatred towards the British establishment is merited given the history. Anger and hatred can manifest in many horrible, inexcusable ways. Tebbitt's comments are completely understandable though. This is not really a time to point-score.

I must have missed the part where he was taken out back and shot. I thought he died of a heart condition. The shit you talk is embarrassing.

 

[jd1981]

I don't like lambasting those who are gone but it's so hard not to with Martin McGuinness. He never showed any remorse for his bloody past. He's gone to his grave with so much information that we'll never know.
His role as being a key member that bought about the good Friday agreement can't be denied.
But his awful past cannot be forgiven.

 

[ProgWolf]

That's a shame. Did more than anyone to bring about the peace process.

Just like Jeremy Corbyn, Terrorist sympathisers are everywhere, even on here.

 

[Tredman]

As is fatuous rubbish.

 

[visage]

Just like Jeremy Corbyn, Terrorist sympathisers are everywhere, even on here.

What did Jeremy Corbyn do to advance the peace process?

 

[visage]

I don't like lambasting those who are gone but it's so hard not to with Martin McGuinness. He never showed any remorse for his bloody past. He's gone to his grave with so much information that we'll never know.
His role as being a key member that bought about the good Friday agreement can't be denied.
But his awful past cannot be forgiven.

I dont think anyone is suggesting forgiveness. But its probably true that the only people who could bring the IRA away from violence were those who were on the inside. MM went from being a terrorist to being someone who argued and fought for peace. Its not a contradiction to condemn the former and praise the latter - And I dont think anyone today is suggesting his actions in later life excuse the things he did earlier.

 

[ProgWolf]

What did Jeremy Corbyn do to advance the peace process?

Well to be fair to Corbyn he never actually executed anyone

 

[visage]

Presumably your kinda guy would be an Internet no mark keyboard warrior.

 

[Tony Towner]

A thought for people, if McGuiness hadn't been the Deputy Commander of the IRA, someone else would have and invariably given the green light for the same horrific events that he did. Would someone else have taken his position at the forefront of the peace process? I'm not so sure.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

A thought for people, if McGuiness hadn't been the Deputy Commander of the IRA, someone else would have and invariably given the green light for the same horrific events that he did. Would someone else have taken his position at the forefront of the peace process? I'm not so sure.

Totally agree

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I don't blame him for trying to blow Norman Tebbit into a million pieces tbf.

That is quite the most crass comment I have read on here DW and I expected better of you.
Regardless of any views on how McGuinness did or did not redeem himself during the peace process, he never apologised for his crimes and was responsible for the crippling of tebbits wife. I am no Tebbit fan but there is a line.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

A thought for people, if McGuiness hadn't been the Deputy Commander of the IRA, someone else would have and invariably given the green light for the same horrific events that he did. Would someone else have taken his position at the forefront of the peace process? I'm not so sure.

Without knowing the full details of WHY the IRA came to the table when they did thats a difficult question to answer. If , as has been mooted by Tebbit himself in the interview, it was because he was about to be arrested for murder and the peace process enabled the end of prosecutions for past crimes, thereby granting him and others virtual immunity from prosecution , then it was self serving. However when in office , his record for campaigning to keep the peace cannot be questioned. http://heavy.com/news/2017/03/norman-tebbit-martin-mcguinness-coward-video/

 

[visage]

The dead cant sue. So who is the real coward there, Norman?

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Ronnie Moran, the former Liverpool FC coach has passed away.

R.I.P.

 

[visage]

On the Tebbit thing:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/15/norman-tebbit-interview

His wife is nodding as he goes on: "Jimmy did a great deal of good, as well as wrong. And in anybody's life, you have to look at both sides of the ledger."

Not when it comes to McGuinness, it seems.

And theres more...talking about Tory support for apartheid south africa....

“You have to act within the constraints of the time and I get very irritated by the people who judge the past by the present."

So it seems that Tebbit is more than happy to indulge in historical revisionism when hes defending his own support for reprehensible acts in the past, but when others do wrong they are damned forever. Standard Tory.

 

[leedswolf]

Sib Hashian, aged 67.

 

[Paul]

Sib Hashian, aged 67.

That's no age

 

[Parkins left foot]

That's no age

Having just, today, reached that milestone then can confirm that

 

[Paul]

As most of the men on my Dads side never lasted past their early sixties, to achieve 67 would be remarkable for me !

 

[Penk Wolf]

One of my best mates who I grew up with, shared house with, etc. died last night. I'm devastated.