The NFL Thread

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

All things being equal, Flores should have no problems getting another HC job. But this is America.

 

[Alan]

This is the part of the rule I'm not happy with. How must Flores feel personally if he knows he's only there because of his colour. I hope he nails his interview and gets the job.

Better to get a foot in the door than be locked out altogether, I suppose.

It's an imperfect system but there are no easy answers when it comes to counteracting systemic racism.

 

[Tony Towner]

Either he or Daboll will end up in New York (well New Jersey) assuming they want to be given who the new GM is

It's Daboll

 

[Dire Wolf]

Adam Schefter reporting that Tom Brady is officially retiring.

 

[Tony Towner]

Should have gone a year earlier really for the moment. 44 and still at the top of your profession is remarkable. Lots of questionable antics, but the GOAT. Like Rodgers an areshole of a man though

 

[Johnny75]

Should have gone a year earlier really for the moment. 44 and still at the top of your profession is remarkable. Lots of questionable antics, but the GOAT. Like Rodgers an areshole of a man though

Not that I know him but he always came across as one of those wholesome American guys. Preachy as fuck and annoying but never an arsehole like Rodgers or Ben the rapist.

 

[BillyDee]

Grade A c*nt. Completely disqualified from any GOAT discussion imo, huge asterisk next to his name and any achievements.

 

[Tony Towner]

Caught for cheating and banned for it. Refused to shake Foles' hand after the SB. Left his pregnant girlfriend to go with Gisele

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

His agent, his father, and the Bucs all denying that a decision has been made.

I'm usually wrong but I would not expect him to make up his mind so quickly.

 

[Alan]

Yeah, I'm not believing it until he's held a press conference.

 

[Dire Wolf]

He's not retired. At least until February 4th when he gets his $15m roster bonus...

 

[Johnny75]

Would like to see the Bengals and Niners win tonight as it reminds me of the first NFL season I watched where Montana and Essiason were the two QB's at the SB.

Jerry Rice was a magnificent player.

 

[Tony Towner]

Would like to see the Bengals and Niners win tonight as it reminds me of the first NFL season I watched where Montana and Essiason were the two QB's at the SB.

Jerry Rice was a magnificent player.

OK Boomer

Definitely want the Bengals. Conflicted on the other one, whether I want McVay or Jimmy G to make the SB least

 

[Johnny75]

OK Boomer

 

[Tony Towner]

Hey it works on 2 levels

 

[Tony Towner]

This is the mistake you're making. Racism in 2022 is not usually as easy as "I dislike this person because they are Black so I will fire them". If that was still what was going on, Flores would never have been hired.

The fact remains that when you control for record or performance, Black coaches are consistently shown to be more fireable, less promotable, and less hireable than their White counterparts. I.E., all else being equal, race plays a significant role in how long you'll keep your HC job in the NFL.

Further, it is indisputable that the Lions got worse after firing Jim Caldwell, the Bears got worse after firing Lovie Smith, etc. Interesting to note then that they were all replaced by White coaches who were all immediate downgrades, sometimes catastrophically so (Patricia, anyone?). So what was it that convinced the owners that these replacements were actually going to improve things, I wonder?

It won't have been "he's White, hire him". But race is impactful to one's career outcomes even if explicit racism is never encountered. This is what makes structural racism so difficult to overcome: you can't simply wait for someone to say the N word, you have to observe the patterns that emerge from their actions over time. In the NFL, those patterns tell us unequivocally that Black coaches will be valued less than White ones by team owners.

We have to ask ourselves why race is a statistically significant variable in the equation at all.

White guys currently 4 from 4. Jonathan Gannon getting a second interview at Houston and DeMeco Ryans not being asked at all is laughable. Ignore the coaching record this season, he's a "smart guy"

 

[Alan]

DeMeco is one of the smartest men in the league. He was always undersized but made up for it purely on tactical acumen. He was the first player I remember being talked about as a "coach on the field", at least from a defensive perspective.

People hire what they know, and NFL owners know one color much better than the others.

 

[big mean bunny]

Eric Bienemy is now 0 for 8 with HC interviews. It might be time to maybe consider there is something that presents itself as an issue to those making the decisions with him as that does seem odd to be as well thought of as he is, have that many interviews and still be the OC? I thought he might have been waiting and in line for the Jags job but is waiting on the post season conclusion, but it seems Leftwich is front runner for that.

Not sure on Raiders taking McDaniels, but it does seem to stack up in the sense that schematically Raiders were looking at power run style football and that seems to be something he is comfortable with too from the looks of it.

 

[Tony Towner]

Eric Bienemy is now 0 for 8 with HC interviews.

His background as a kid is supposed to be a red flag, probably just a convenient excuse though

 

[Dire Wolf]

How Bienemy hasn't been given a job is perplexing. Or maybe it isn't, maybe its just the obvious.