Elephant Pyjamas
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So?
Don’t remember most your examples. Most the others I’ve discussed before.
You're pretty ignorant about England's history then.Don’t remember most your examples.
Are they? The pissing and moaning because we aren't sticking 6 past Slovakia or winning on Sunday - it's very much the same attitude you see from Liverpool or United fans if they fail to beat Wolves and we criticise and ridicule them for it and rightly call then arrogant.I disagree that England fans are “self entitled” most are very circumspect when it comes to major tournaments.
I agree.He leaves with some accomplishments for sure, but after 8 years, fresh and bold ideas to build on good foundations are what's needed next.
Are they? The pissing and moaning because we aren't sticking 6 past Slovakia or winning on Sunday - it's very much the same attitude you see from Liverpool or United fans if they fail to beat Wolves and we criticise and ridicule them for it and rightly call then arrogant.
That's why i find it particularly strange to see the same sorts of attitudes on here.
Are they? The pissing and moaning because we aren't sticking 6 past Slovakia or winning on Sunday - it's very much the same attitude you see from Liverpool or United fans if they fail to beat Wolves and we criticise and ridicule them for it and rightly call then arrogant.
That's why i find it particularly strange to see the same sorts of attitudes on here.
I agree.
I just don't think the next manager is likely to do that, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he fails to build on the foundations of Southgate, so many managers before GS failed to instill a team spirit, pride and determination.
Is that North Greece and South Greece?Below that Portugal, Greece, The Netherlands and Greece have all won tournaments.
We were a last minute winner away from penalties against Belgium in 1990.
We beat Cameroon with 2 penalties in 1990, they dominated us.
Scotland missed a penalty in 96, and then Gascoigne scored a worldie.
Spain had a perfectly legitimate goal disallowed against us, and we beat them on penalties.
Were 90 and 96 "fucking useless" too?
Christ even Alf Ramsey had the goal that probably didn't cross the line in 66.
These are moments, this is what wins games. This is football.
We were fucking hideous in 92, didn't qualify for 94 or 2008, lost to Iceland in 2016, bottom of the group in 2014. Shit in 2000 too, put out by Vio Ganea!
Then there is *that* Algeria game and getting pissed on by Germany 4-1.
There are a lot of England fans who are just like United and Liverpool fans, the entitlement is off the scale.
I moved Denmark there, which is a reasonable geographical shiftIs that North Greece and South Greece?
I very much enjoyed the "moments".Hyperbolic and inaccurate. No one expects us to put 6 past anyone.
What England fans and commentators expected was a coherent and vaguely exciting style of play that made the most of the formidable talent in the team.
What we got was safe and tedious 'football' with a few individual moments and several rubs of the green to get us through.
Did you actually watch and enjoy the performances, or are you just playing contrary Mary?![]()
Woah! There was a point made that Southgate has had loads of luck that other managers haven't had.Hell of a lot of confirmation bias in this post.
You’ve plucked out all our luck but have missed out the bad luck.
The Belgium game, why oh why do people think last minute goals are lucky?
The Cameroon game yes we were shit but Cameroon were very nieve and the penalties were clear penalties. We were a width of a post from beating W Germany in SF, also wouldn’t losing on penalties be classed as bad luck?
1998 Sol Campbell Disallowed goal, lost on penalties.
2004 again Helder Postiga Shoulders the equaliser, Campbell has a last minute winner ruled out for minor contact. Rooney gets injured.
For Southgate's own sake he shouldn't stay either, and I think it's right he's moving on generally.You may be right, but that doesn't mean Southgate should stay