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The Manager Sacked/Hired Thread 2018/19
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Johnny75
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I'd been gradually doing some writing on how poor Mourinho has been so might as well twist the knife now he is gone.
Reality is Mourinho has been a complete and utter failure. Spent £150m in his first season, had 5/8 of the highest paid players in the league including the top 3 (2 of which he signed himself - Pogba and Ibrahimovic), went on a 22 game unbeaten run only to finish lower than Louis van Gaal and with a lower win % than David Moyes!
His 'treble' was a joke, Southampton were robbed by poor officiating in that League Cup final (surprise surprise) and deserved to win. The run to the final was weak with the exception of one team: Northampton (A), Man City (H), West Ham (H), Hull City in the semis. He also had the easiest run of any team that has made it to a Europa League final since the competition was rebranded. The only thing that prevented him from being sacked season one and consigned to the same scrap heap as Van Gaal was this extremely weak run, while Van Gaal had to face Klopp's Liverpool and presumably would have then been drawn against Dortmund, Villarreal, and Sevilla who had won it the last 2 times in the final. The media love-in meant the BBC weren't going to be manufacturing much pressure at this point. In typical modern Mourinho fashion, no improvement was made in the first year and he blames his predecessor for this with everything being seen as work towards the big second season.
So after a summer of spending about £145m for a new spine of the team in Lindelof, Matic, and Lukaku Man United should have been ready to challenge for the title. They still had the top paid player in the league in Pogba, and Lukaku was on about £250,000 a week, Ibra re-signed pocketing half of that for very little contribution - yet they were already 12 points behind City by Christmas. United had a very good opportunity to open the race back up when they played City at home in early December but Mou had United parking the bus and they were beaten pretty easily (obviously, he blamed the ref). They could have closed the gap to 5 points but it was instead 11 and that was when the race was outright over. This is where the excuses started to come in full flow and he made noises about leaving before signing that new contract in January.
You can argue that nobody was ever going to catch City last year and while that is true the manner of United's title 'challenge' was poor. Their points total would only have been enough to win the league 3 times since the year 2000 (00/01, 10/11, 15/16 on goal difference only). His net spend in the summer of 17/18 was only 4m less than Man City's and he still ended up finishing 19 points behind City, the same number he did in his first season. City did add Laporte in January but then United by that point had Sanchez who had become the league's highest-paid player. Total spendings/net spends do not take into account the crazy amount of money Mou had United throwing at players on wages.
Can't use other team's spending as an excuse when you get knocked out by Bristol City in the League Cup either, or even that limp defeat to Conte's Chelsea. Conte's net spend - around £92m. Mourinho's net spend - around £240m. Not to mention getting dumped out of Europe by Sevilla after parking the bus home and away.
Come round to season 3, his infamous breakdown year and he was whining. The board stopped him from buying a defender like he wanted but, really, can you blame them? Mourinho had spent £60m on two centre-halves, Lindelof and Bailly, and thrown them both aside, complaining that the former especially was rubbish and demolished his confidence before swinging round and targetting the latter as the season progressed. Mourinho's record developing young players is atrocious - he does not do it, he wants the finished article. As the United board became more aware of Mou's waste they wanted a younger defender who could develop and had sell-on value - makes sense. Mou's desperate need for a defender didn't stop him spending £47m on Fred, a midfielder he barely played and looked to have no need for. Then you have the conflicts and attacks on his own players - Shaw, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Lukaku, Martial... etc.
The man is toxic. He can't develop young players, destroys players' confidence and creates disharmony wherever he goes. He has wasted an obscene amount of money on poor transfers and stupid wages. His record at United is a track record of failure only sustained by the weakest of Europa League runs that prevents him being mentioned in the same breath as Moyes and Van Gaal, a level that he belongs in. Good riddance.
Reality is Mourinho has been a complete and utter failure. Spent £150m in his first season, had 5/8 of the highest paid players in the league including the top 3 (2 of which he signed himself - Pogba and Ibrahimovic), went on a 22 game unbeaten run only to finish lower than Louis van Gaal and with a lower win % than David Moyes!
His 'treble' was a joke, Southampton were robbed by poor officiating in that League Cup final (surprise surprise) and deserved to win. The run to the final was weak with the exception of one team: Northampton (A), Man City (H), West Ham (H), Hull City in the semis. He also had the easiest run of any team that has made it to a Europa League final since the competition was rebranded. The only thing that prevented him from being sacked season one and consigned to the same scrap heap as Van Gaal was this extremely weak run, while Van Gaal had to face Klopp's Liverpool and presumably would have then been drawn against Dortmund, Villarreal, and Sevilla who had won it the last 2 times in the final. The media love-in meant the BBC weren't going to be manufacturing much pressure at this point. In typical modern Mourinho fashion, no improvement was made in the first year and he blames his predecessor for this with everything being seen as work towards the big second season.
So after a summer of spending about £145m for a new spine of the team in Lindelof, Matic, and Lukaku Man United should have been ready to challenge for the title. They still had the top paid player in the league in Pogba, and Lukaku was on about £250,000 a week, Ibra re-signed pocketing half of that for very little contribution - yet they were already 12 points behind City by Christmas. United had a very good opportunity to open the race back up when they played City at home in early December but Mou had United parking the bus and they were beaten pretty easily (obviously, he blamed the ref). They could have closed the gap to 5 points but it was instead 11 and that was when the race was outright over. This is where the excuses started to come in full flow and he made noises about leaving before signing that new contract in January.
You can argue that nobody was ever going to catch City last year and while that is true the manner of United's title 'challenge' was poor. Their points total would only have been enough to win the league 3 times since the year 2000 (00/01, 10/11, 15/16 on goal difference only). His net spend in the summer of 17/18 was only 4m less than Man City's and he still ended up finishing 19 points behind City, the same number he did in his first season. City did add Laporte in January but then United by that point had Sanchez who had become the league's highest-paid player. Total spendings/net spends do not take into account the crazy amount of money Mou had United throwing at players on wages.
Can't use other team's spending as an excuse when you get knocked out by Bristol City in the League Cup either, or even that limp defeat to Conte's Chelsea. Conte's net spend - around £92m. Mourinho's net spend - around £240m. Not to mention getting dumped out of Europe by Sevilla after parking the bus home and away.
Come round to season 3, his infamous breakdown year and he was whining. The board stopped him from buying a defender like he wanted but, really, can you blame them? Mourinho had spent £60m on two centre-halves, Lindelof and Bailly, and thrown them both aside, complaining that the former especially was rubbish and demolished his confidence before swinging round and targetting the latter as the season progressed. Mourinho's record developing young players is atrocious - he does not do it, he wants the finished article. As the United board became more aware of Mou's waste they wanted a younger defender who could develop and had sell-on value - makes sense. Mou's desperate need for a defender didn't stop him spending £47m on Fred, a midfielder he barely played and looked to have no need for. Then you have the conflicts and attacks on his own players - Shaw, Sanchez, Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Lukaku, Martial... etc.
The man is toxic. He can't develop young players, destroys players' confidence and creates disharmony wherever he goes. He has wasted an obscene amount of money on poor transfers and stupid wages. His record at United is a track record of failure only sustained by the weakest of Europa League runs that prevents him being mentioned in the same breath as Moyes and Van Gaal, a level that he belongs in. Good riddance.
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That very argument was being had on Sunday Supplement this week. The style over end result debate.
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Ince on Five Live..."give it to Steve Bruce or Mark Hughes as interim and if they do well then you keep them".
Muppet.
Muppet.
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If that happened I would just assume that Woodward was trolling the United support. Mind you, I would think the same about Solksjaer. Perhaps they could get Bryan Robson. That would be funny as fuck.
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Hmm. I'm sure his Espanyol/Catalan association might mean that he personally excludes himself from that option?
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Gary Neville? They talked about someone with the United ethos, he's certainly got that.
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He has already softly said no before so maybe you are right. But I feel he would hang those associations more comfortably for Madrid than he would hang the Spurs situation to go backwards and join United.
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Solskjaer confirmed. Hilarious.
I had a bet with a mate who’s a Utd fan a couple of weeks ago that Wolves would finish above them this season (brave I know but it’s only a tenner and I’d had a few pints at the time). Gave him a 4 point headstart and that gap is down to 1, so I was gutted to hear Jose had been sacked earlier as they were only going one way with him in charge, but Solskjaer ‘til the end of the season is superb news for me.
Are we all going to just ignore what happened when he was in charge at Cardiff? Shocking appointment.
I had a bet with a mate who’s a Utd fan a couple of weeks ago that Wolves would finish above them this season (brave I know but it’s only a tenner and I’d had a few pints at the time). Gave him a 4 point headstart and that gap is down to 1, so I was gutted to hear Jose had been sacked earlier as they were only going one way with him in charge, but Solskjaer ‘til the end of the season is superb news for me.
Are we all going to just ignore what happened when he was in charge at Cardiff? Shocking appointment.
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They have written the season off. Clearly don't want Europa League and champions league is beyond them. I can see Cardiff beating them on Saturday.
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Fuck me! Woke up to see that appointment! It's either real genius or complete madness. No way will it be an ok appointment. They will either kick on amazingly or have a shocking run. He was awful at Cardiff! The odds are more on the latter I fear. Shame, as United over the last 30 years have had some of the best teams and played some of the best football I have seen.
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Irrespective of how weak the temporary manager is - and it is a very random appointment. United have got a decent enough squad to comfortably finish 6th if a) they are allowed to attack and b) the players can be bothered.
Reminds me a bit of when Villa sacked Bruce, the manager's tactics were suffocating the squads strengths.
Reminds me a bit of when Villa sacked Bruce, the manager's tactics were suffocating the squads strengths.
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Taken down off the official site now, so must have a few minor things to iron out. Then again if they did want somebody cheap and knows the club, David Moyes still has 6 months of the contract he signed with them left to run...
As Paddy said have written off this season, race for 6th is now wide open, thats if the players are not bothered and I dont think there are many leaders in that dressing room.
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I’m confused by his situation with Molde. Their season begins in March. So he will miss pre-season and the first couple of months, it feels like a loan spell of a manager. Or are they going to find a permanent replacement?
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I don't think it's a "shame" at all - I'm loving it. All the glory supporting fans who picked Utd during my school years, for no other reason than the fact they won everything, have now all gone suspiciously quiet? Standard plastic fans. Can't stand them and I hope they continue to fall down the table.
Sadly, as TT says, it wouldn't surprise me if the snakes Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku & Co start playing like world beaters.
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