The Live Match Discussion Thread: 2019/2020

[Deleted Cyber]

I have rugby but have heard refs say stuff along the lines of

I think that's a try is there anything obvious why that can't be awarded? 10 second check done. Awarded.

15 second rule in football
No linesman flag, ref says any obvious reason why I can't give a goal. 15 seconds nothing. Goal. If in 15 seconds they find something then the ref MUST look at the monitor. If he thinks it's marginal stick with it , goal. None of this toe offside shit

 

[Tredman]

No TMo check in rugby ever lasted just 10s

 

[jd1981]

Is football better watch this season now we have VAR? If we concede the goal that Palace had disallowed tonight do we have a problem with it?

Also heard people saying your either offside or your on there's no grey area its the same as goal line decisions. For starters thats not true there's only one thing to take into account on GL decisions did the ball cross the line.
Offside has two elements that have to be consider at the same time, catergorically can you say when the ball is played in relation to where the players positioning is based on technology available at this time.
Also look at some of the camera angles that are used they're not always straight.

 

[The Bear]

Both IFAB and FIFA have said that the Premier League will be brought into line with other countries and have to actually use it as mandated.

That might make a difference on offsides, but the penalty and red card stuff you'll still have the same bunch of refs looking out for each other. Even if the ref goes over to the monitor I reckon they'll all collectively decide if it wasn't an obvious error they'll stick with their original decision, even if it's obvious they made the wrong one.

 

[The Bear]

Is football better watch this season now we have VAR? If we concede the goal that Palace had disallowed tonight do we have a problem with it?

Well I'd be happy because it benefitted my team, but overall I wouldn't like it.

Hopefully they stop with the marginal stuff and build in some margin of error due to frame-rate. I doubt it though.

Robbie Savage was giving it to Peter Walton hard on BT. And rightly so. The coward wouldn't admit that it was wrong.

 

[jd1981]

Well I'd be happy because it benefitted my team, but overall I wouldn't like it.

Hopefully they stop with the marginal stuff and build in some margin of error due to frame-rate. I doubt it though.

Robbie Savage was giving it to Peter Walton hard on BT. And rightly so. The coward wouldn't admit that it was wrong.

Don't get me started on Peter Walton he was the one who bottled sending off Lampard and Ashley Cole in 2012 against us. They'll argue the offside the same for everyone and that its a as close to being as right as it can be.
They've lost sight as to why offside invented in the first place.

 

[Del Woppio]

Either fuck the lines off and go with the eye test, or make the lines say 50cm, to allow for frame rate/ball compression MOE and give that benefit of the doubt to the attacking side. Simple.

 

[jd1981]

Either fuck the lines off and go with the eye test, or make the lines say 50cm, to allow for frame rate/ball compression MOE and give that benefit of the doubt to the attacking side. Simple.

Yep thats the common sense approach. VAR officials should be advised with offside don't use lines freeze the frame at the point you think the balls played does there look to be an offside? If no its not off. For starters it pretty much tells you the attacking side has gained no clear advantage.
Problem is the conspiracy theorists will come alive when a big club has one go their way.

 

[BillyDee]

That might make a difference on offsides, but the penalty and red card stuff you'll still have the same bunch of refs looking out for each other. Even if the ref goes over to the monitor I reckon they'll all collectively decide if it wasn't an obvious error they'll stick with their original decision, even if it's obvious they made the wrong one.

Yeah, that's a fair point.
The lines are definitely gone next season, 100% gone, I cannot state that enough. We have two rounds of fixtures left of that shit, then it will be ~30 second check of a few replays by eye.
They will have to use the monitors, but just like now it's likely they'll rarely overturn anything.

 

[slink]

Yep thats the common sense approach. VAR officials should be advised with offside don't use lines freeze the frame at the point you think the balls played does there look to be an offside? If no its not off. For starters it pretty much tells you the attacking side has gained no clear advantage.
Problem is the conspiracy theorists will come alive when a big club has one go their way.

I still don't see why they can't set a limit to being offside. I the attacker is more than i don't know 20cm, 25cm 30 cm infront of the defender then it's offside. It's not perfect but its much better than players being given offside by 1cm or less in some cases. With the rule as it is a player could be given offside because he has bigger feet than everyone else.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I still don't see why they can't set a limit to being offside. I the attacker is more than i don't know 20cm, 25cm 30 cm infront of the defender then it's offside. It's not perfect but its much better than players being given offside by 1cm or less in some cases. With the rule as it is a player could be given offside because he has bigger feet than everyone else.

That's just moving the problem 25-30cm down the pitch.

Doesn't matter if it's level or what, if you're trying to measure to mm accuracy it's going to take time and you'll get marginal calls that cause upset like tonight.

It needs a less accurate measurement rather than a predetermined buffer.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Just have a look with your eyes like we have been doing on sky sports for 30 years. “He’s just onside there Martin”. No one moaned About those, they moaned about the howlers. Fuck the lines off, and just have a look. If its not obviously wrong, carry on.

And one more thing “the camera angles are wrong”. How are we 36 games In and people don’t understand that the lines are calibrated from multiple cameras?

 

[BillyDee]

The lines are gone next season, relax, it's done...

 

[slink]

That's just moving the problem 25-30cm down the pitch.

Doesn't matter if it's level or what, if you're trying to measure to mm accuracy it's going to take time and you'll get marginal calls that cause upset like tonight.

It needs a less accurate measurement rather than a predetermined buffer.

You are but at least there's a measurement against it that means they are definitely offside. I think the error in the measurements mean they can be up to somewhere between 20 and 30 cm out.

I wouldn't be against just looking at it and saying that looks offside so it is or that doesn't look offside so it is isn't like Punts says but whatever happens it needs to be better than this season.

 

[BillyDee]

I wouldn't be against just looking at it and saying that looks offside so it is or that doesn't look offside so it is isn't like Punts says but whatever happens it needs to be better than this season.

Does everyone have me on ignore? (understandable I guess...)

THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING NEXT SEASON!
IT'S DONE, THERE IS NO NEED TO DEBATE IT...

 

[slink]

Does everyone have me on ignore? (understandable I guess...)

THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING NEXT SEASON!
IT'S DONE, THERE IS NO NEED TO DEBATE IT...

Was in the middle of posting so didn't see that. If that's the case then fair enough, don't remember it ever being confirmed though as the Premier League just seem to do what they like.

 

[BillyDee]

Was in the middle of posting so didn't see that. If that's the case then fair enough, don't remember it ever being confirmed though as the Premier League just seem to do what they like.

Sorry, bit ranty, had posted it a few times. IFAB made it clear at the beginning of the year that the PL was not implementing VAR offside calls the way they should and that they will have to do it the same as everyone else next season.
Again, sorry for being a bit ranty...

 

[BillyDee]

Also in terms of PL doing what they like, FIFA have recently said they will have to do things the same as everyone else (such as pitch side monitors).

 

[slink]

Also in terms of PL doing what they like, FIFA have recently said they will have to do things the same as everyone else (such as pitch side monitors).

Yeah i'd seen that but also seen that FIFA and IFAB aren't sure on how they are going to use the offside rule, for instance they were looking in to Wenger's daylight law etc. No need to apologise either.

 

[BillyDee]

My understanding from what IFAB said at the beginning of the year was that it would be: have a look at a few replays, judge by eye, obvious or not, no more than thirty seconds.
The common sense approach most people have suggested.
Works well in other countries and in other sports (rugby).