The Incoming Transfers Everywhere Thread: Summer 2023

[Alan]

I don't think there's any arguing that those of us who think that this was a good window on the face of it aren't taking a serious crow-eating risk.

But given the circumstances that stopped us spending earlier (whatever they actually are), I think the club has actually come out with a lot of credit to get a few highly rated players over the line in just a couple of days.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm pleased we made signings, I didn't expect us to spend anything given the FFP narrative even with the Nunes cash.

But we have only spent around 25mill, we still haven't signed a striker and the players we have signed with the possible exception of Bueno all look like gambles - low risk gambles though.

To say this has been a good window though given what we were expecting at the end of last season and the line that the "project is back on" just looks like Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[WsWolf]

I'll ask again.

Players who operate at the top level in other leagues are far more likely to succeed than young players playing in France or South America, no?

Moutinho, Boly, Neves and Jota were/are more likely to succeed rather than Bellegarde, Enso or Doyle, given their pedigree and the level they'd been operating at, no?

Are you disputing that?

Statistically? I've no idea. Anecdotally most of those recently who have come direct from South America have been successful, certainly a better hit rate than other leagues but the sample size is too small.

The other point isn't relevant, you are asking if player A is going to be better than Player B because he has played in another top league or the CL. I say, no.

Interesting choice of players. I've no idea, I've already said I haven't seen Bellegarde play.

Amused you didn't you choose Guedes & Willian Jose as examples though. Probably doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[Lycan]

I don't think there's any arguing that those of us who think that this was a good window on the face of it aren't taking a serious crow-eating risk.

But given the circumstances that stopped us spending earlier (whatever they actually are), I think the club has actually come out with a lot of credit to get a few highly rated players over the line in just a couple of days.

I don't think Bellegarde or Bueno are highly rated Alan. I'm not claiming to be a fountain of footballing knowledge but I'd never heard of either of them until a few days ago and I've actually been to a game Bueno played in.

Not saying they won't be a success to be clear. I just don't think it's right to say that we've pulled off some sort of coup to get them in the door.

 

[Alan]

I don't think Bellegarde or Bueno are highly rated Alan. I'm not claiming to be a fountain of footballing knowledge but I'd never heard of either of them until a few days ago and I've actually been to a game Bueno played in.

Not saying they won't be a success to be clear. I just don't think it's right to say that we've pulled off some sort of coup to get them in the door.

Bueno should be solid. Everything I've read about Bellegarde suggests he's come on in leaps and bounds since his 24th birthday; I've no reason to be cynical about him at this point.

Enso, Doyle, Bellegarde, and Bueno make up a very promising batch of players + one who probably won't be spectacular but we really just need him to do the basics consistently (that being Bueno, of course).

These are exactly the types of players at exactly the sorts of fees I was hoping for. Obviously time will tell if any of them are as savvy as I want them to be.

 

[Kenny]

To say this has been a good window though given what we were expecting at the end of last season and the line that the "project is back on" just looks like Stockholm Syndrome

All about having to adjust to what was happening.

We all expected a high level of signing hand picked by a high level coach.
Instead we burnt that plan and then burnt it again to make sure it was gone.

It's one of those where you have to be happy in the end because it looked like it was going to be horrendous but also be frustrated that we have done what we have done. Self-inflicted damage that wasn't really warranted.

Just have to hope this batch of signings are better than last summers.
1 sold because the manager didn't want him
1 we can get rid of properly and only came her because he couldn't say no to Jorge
1 sold and he couldn't get out-of town quick enough
1 hardly used due to injury and seemingly not trusted when fit.
£100m or so of success there!

 

[Jinky]

Do what you see fit.

I've only seen highlights of Bellegarde & I've never seen Bueno or Gonzalez so how could I possibly say if they are even good signings with any degree of accuracy so we'll see what we have when they actually play.

Exactly this.

Not sure why there has to be a line in the sand in terms of judging it. Most/all of this forum have seen little to none of any of our new signings, bar possibly Doyle, so it’s impossible to judge properly until we’ve seen if they have a positive impact on the field.

 

[Carsy]

Bueno should be solid. Everything I've read about Bellegarde suggests he's come on in leaps and bounds since his 24th birthday; I've no reason to be cynical about him at this point.

Enso, Doyle, Bellegarde, and Bueno make up a very promising batch of players + one who probably won't be spectacular but we really just need him to do the basics consistently (that being Bueno, of course).

These are exactly the types of players at exactly the sorts of fees I was hoping for. Obviously time will tell if any of them are as savvy as I want them to be.

Regarding bueno, seeing as we’ve signed him for 8.5m, which is supposedly a discounted price, he must be rated to some extent you’d hope? Granted I’ve never seen him play, but you’d like to think he should have something about him

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The other point isn't relevant, you are asking if player A is going to be better than Player B because he has played in another top league or the CL. I say, no.

To clarify, if player A has played in the Champions League and say La Liga you don't believe he's likely to be better than player B who has only played in the Paraguayan Premier league?

 

[Alan]

Regarding bueno, seeing as we’ve signed him for 8.5m, which is supposedly a discounted price, he must be rated to some extent you’d hope? Granted I’ve never seen him play, but you’d like to think he should have something about him

As far as I can tell, he was a regular in their return to La Liga last season and signed a contract extension with Girona in January of this year, so that bodes well. It's a more positive looking CV than Vallejo's, really.

 

[WsWolf]

To clarify, if player A has played in the Champions League and say La Liga you don't believe he's likely to be better than player B who has only played in the Paraguayan Premier league?

No, I wouldn't just assume a player is better than another just because of what league they've played in.

 

[Lycan]

But we have only spent around 25mill, we still haven't signed a striker and the players we have signed with the possible exception of Bueno all look like gambles - low risk gambles though.

I'm not even sure Bellegarde is low risk, £13M is a lot for a player of his profile IMO. Say he struggles to make an impact over the next 2 seasons (which is entirely possible given he's never played at this level, has a middling record in a poor league and is quite small compared to most Premier League midfielders) where are we left then?

We'd have an out of favour player with 3 years left on his contract and we'd probably only have French or Championship clubs as a potential buyer, not markets particularly flush with cash.

He could also potentially be playing for Haiti internationally by then which would be a pain in the arse.

If it was in the £5-8M region I'd agree but I feel like we've overpayed on this one.

 

[Tony Towner]

As far as I can tell, he was a regular in their return to La Liga last season and signed a contract extension with Girona in January of this year, so that bodes well. It's a more positive looking CV than Vallejo's, really.

Then lost his place to Daley Blind this season and according to Keen has been signed with an eye on squad depth not as an upgrade. We needed another centre half, but I'd have liked one the club thought were better than what we had

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

No, I wouldn't just assume a player is better than another just because of what league they've played in.

Well that's insane.

So a National League player isn't necessarily better than someone playing in the Premier League?

 

[Wolvensam]

Exactly this.

Not sure why there has to be a line in the sand in terms of judging it. Most/all of this forum have seen little to none of any of our new signings, bar possibly Doyle, so it’s impossible to judge properly until we’ve seen if they have a positive impact on the field.

We’ve reached some parallel universe where Jinky is agreeing with me and WsWolf. What a world

 

[WsWolf]

Well that's insane.

So a National League player isn't necessarily better than someone playing in the Premier League?

Fucking hell hahahaha. I'll leave it there because you are being daft now.

 

[Alan]

Then lost his place to Daley Blind this season and according to Keen has been signed for squad depth not as an upgrade.

Like I said, solid, probably not spectacular.

If he gives more stability than Kilman offers that’s good enough at the price. Whether the club would drop Max for Santi is a different question, however.

 

[Templeton Peck]

I'm pleased we made signings, I didn't expect us to spend anything given the FFP narrative even with the Nunes cash.

But we have only spent around 25mill, we still haven't signed a striker and the players we have signed with the possible exception of Bueno all look like gambles - low risk gambles though.

To say this has been a good window though given what we were expecting at the end of last season and the line that the "project is back on" just looks like Stockholm Syndrome.

I'm pleased because I genuinely thought we wouldn't sign anyone. However, the squad has definitely been reconstructed to survive rather than thrive. It all fits with what The Accountant said.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Fucking hell hahahaha. I'll leave it there because you are being daft now.

Well that's what you said

"No, I wouldn't just assume a player is better than another just because of what league they've played in."

You probably should leave it there, as it's a bloody ridiculous statement.

 

[Wolvensam]

Well that's what you said

"No, I wouldn't just assume a player is better than another just because of what league they've played in."

You probably should leave it there, as it's a bloody ridiculous statement.

You did use quite an extreme example to be fair.