The Incoming Transfers Everywhere Thread: Summer 2023

[The Bear]

I know you know this, but this makes us sound like Notts County or something. Haven't we sold over £140m worth of players, even before you come to PL TV money? Our funds aren't as limited as we're making them

Funds were limited by the owners who played it very (maybe too) safe making sure we followed the P&S rules. We'll see if we overdid it or if other clubs start to fall foul of it. The Everton case and decision will be a big marker on whether it's even worth trying to play by the rules.

FWIW we made £73m profit this window. Which should allow spending in January and next summer without any real issues.

 

[Del Woppio]

I'm not really understanding how people can say it hasn't been a good window. We sold a player that didn't want to be here for a record fee and we got in some exciting young talent with it and made the squad stronger.

Other than maybe a striker what more can you really ask for with limited funds?

We've lost Neves, Nunes, Moutinho, Raul, Adama, Collins and Costa

We've gained Doyle, Enso, Bueno, Doherty and Bellegarde. And shit load of money, but we won't get any points for that.

Yes, all of the outgoings were inevitable in one way or another, barring Collins which I don't object to. Yes, we've got some good money for them too.

But we've chosen - a choice - to replace a lot of players with international pedigree with gambles on inexperienced players. A choice that also cost us an excellent manager.

We've had the cash and the FFP wiggle room to spend more on better quality players. I'm not going to judge a transfer window on a set of financial constraints that are entirely voluntary.

 

[Johnny75]

Try assessing it purely on the players sold/signed overall, not the chaos behind it and time frames.

Or assess it as a whole window rather than just the last 3 days as TT says.

I can't understand why you wouldn't judge the window as a whole (losing manager, missing out on numerous signings).

If we're using your daft in/ out criteria:

First XI out: Neves, Nunes
First XI in: .....

 

[Johnny75]

Funds were limited by the owners who played it very (maybe too) safe making sure we followed the P&S rules. We'll see if we overdid it or if other clubs start to fall foul of it. The Everton case and decision will be a big marker on whether it's even worth trying to play by the rules.

FWIW we made £73m profit this window. Which should allow spending in January and next summer without any real issues.

That's only if you move the Cunha and Traore deals into this year. In which case the losses from last year are hugely exaggerated by the club.

 

[Kenny]

Our funds aren't as limited as we're making them

Well that is both a yes they are and no they are not answer.

Ultimately though the funds are limited because those in charge of them made them limited.
Hobbs couldn't target players because he knew the money was really there....tried that with Alex Scott

At least Hobbs got to go after players higher on the list than Cresswell.

We have managed to make a right balls up of the summer and clawed back some of it with the late sale of Nunes. No clue if any player will improve us but it is a relief more than anything we added players as it was seriously looking like Doc and King would be the only players in.

 

[WsWolf]

Pep disagrees with you.

I do too but y'know that's a given with you and I.

And my point was he and Guedes aren't in the same class but you've ignored that.

Pep said Sam Allardyce was a genius and signed Kalvin Phillips with no plan on how to use him. The way you talk it's as if he's never made a mistake, even the great Pep isn't infallible.

 

[Tony Towner]

Try assessing it purely on the players sold/signed, not the chaos behind it.

3rd choice keeper signed by a guy who left the following week

Back up full back 90% of this board celebrated when he left 3 years ago

Centre half who was being kept out of his previous side my Daley Blind

18yr old kid who could be anything - a punt really with nothing to lose

An attacking AM who has achieved nothing particularly of note across his career to date, but currently in a purple patch

A midfield player who after 2 failed loans did well in the Championship last year, but not close to making City's bench even in games when they put a lot of kids on and has been available all Summer with no takers.

Now I'm obviously taking a contrary angle there, but there's nothing incorrect. We spent around £25m above our pre Summer commitments, nobody would have said that's a good window back in June, even moreso if they'd been told how much we'd raised in outgoing sales. I also still think we need a centre forward, Sasa is still made of biscuits so that's a game of Russian Roulette and I'm a long way off being convinced by Fabio and have seen nothing this season to change that.

 

[Loki]

3rd choice keeper signed by a guy who left the following week

Back up full back 90% of this board celebrated when he left 3 years ago

Centre half who was being kept out of his previous side my Daley Blind

18yr old kid who could be anything - a punt really with nothing to lose

An attacking AM who has achieved nothing particularly of note across his career to date, but currently in a purple patch

A midfield player who after 2 failed loans did well in the Championship last year, but not close to making City's bench even in games when they put a lot of kids on and has been available all Summer with no takers.

Now I'm obviously taking a contrary angle there, but there's nothing incorrect. We spent around £25m above our pre Summer commitments, nobody would have said that's a good window back in June, even moreso if they'd been told how much we'd raised in outgoing sales. I also still think we need a centre forward, Sasa is still made of biscuits so that's a game of Russian Roulette and I'm a long way off being convinced by Fabio and have seen nothing this season to change that.

Well, that`s cheered me up no end.

 

[jd1981]

@Tony Towner may have a point, I don’t think all the players are as poor as has been made out.
Said it previously I think we’ve accumulated a group of players who won’t get you top half but should be good enough to keep you up depending on tactics and attitude.
Pretty much tells you about where we came last season is the norm.
Squad is capable of disposing of sides of equal and lesser quality especially at home but equally capable of being demolished by the big boys.

 

[Tony Towner]

Well, that`s cheered me up no end.

Last year I thought Collins and Nunes were great signings and in Jan thought Lemina was meh, but OK for depth, so don't let my opinions alter your mood

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

If the new guys all work out as stonking buys then it will have been a great window. At the moment it feels a bit like going all in with Jack high in your hand

 

[big mean bunny]

The only thing I disagree with is the people saying in Nunes we sold a player who didn't want to be here, we sold a player who no longer wanted to be here is I feel the correct view.

Some of the retrospective mindshift on him is a tad odd. I had previously said if given a mulligan I wouldn't have re-signed him (despite seeing the talent) so wasn't a huge fan of his fit with us but I find it hard to have any ill will really. Change of manager, lack of signings and then City coming in for him is hard to begrudge him wanting to leave?

 

[Tony Towner]

@Tony Towner may have a point, I don’t think all the players are as poor as has been made out.

Neither do I, some will come off, others won't, just putting some balance to the good window narrative

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

What good window narrative? Only Bear seems to think that.

 

[prawnking]

Plenty of people even just a couple of pages back (which is fine, of course)

 

[WsWolf]

What good window narrative? Only Bear seems to think that.

Not sure how you can judge it when none of them have been played a minute for us. We universally thought Nunes was going to be great and he flattered to deceive 80% of the time.

Think we all agree the overall strategy was a shambles.

 

[Carsy]

Plenty of people even just a couple of pages back (which is fine, of course)

It’s a meh window which has ended positively given the shit show leading up to it.

If all the signings pay off, it still won’t alter the fact it has been a terribly managed window, with the FFP issue/rubbish.

Neves was really replaced in January with signing Gomes and lemina. If neves was still here, they wouldn’t be starting together. So that’s his ‘replacement’

Nunes going then led to the spends at the end. I’m not going to say I know anything worthwhile about the lads we’ve signed as I don’t. I do think with nunes going though and the players bought in, the squad is better on the whole.

 

[Carsy]

Or assess it as a whole window rather than just the last 3 days as TT says.

I can't understand why you wouldn't judge the window as a whole (losing manager, missing out on numerous signings).

If we're using your daft in/ out criteria:

First XI out: Neves, Nunes
First XI in: .....

I’d argue the first XI in you could say either Gomes/lemina as both wouldn’t play with neves

And also silva and Sasa weren’t available last year, and I’d rather those 2 than Diego and last years Raul.

 

[jd1981]

The 4 incomings in the last 2 days have made it look not so bad but we’ve now got what I don’t like and that’s a good quantity of average.
Give me the model from 2018-21 where we had a solid group of about 15 quality players and 4-5 ok players.
Yes was a risk but at the very least you knew they stay fit enough long enough to avoid any jeopardy.

 

[Del Woppio]

I’d argue the first XI in you could say either Gomes/lemina as both wouldn’t play with neves

And also silva and Sasa weren’t available last year, and I’d rather those 2 than Diego and last years Raul.

So the window is good because 4 of the players not signed in this window are still here? Got it