The Incoming Transfers Everywhere Thread: Summer 2023

[Wilf Wolf]

I remember when Vinagre was extremely highly rated and many thought he could play a more advanced role too. Despite a prodigious amount of step-overs there was never much end product and I can see RAN going the same way. Beating players in relatively safe areas looks great but is pointless if you don’t do something positive afterwards. The spin turn against Celtic summed RAN up perfectly- a moment of brilliance followed by awful control. After the Liverpool game two years ago when he was superb against Salah I thought he was the real deal but he’s not played as well since. He may well go on to great things but at the moment he’s nowhere near the player I hoped he’d be by now.

 

[Wolvensam]

Neves aside (and Costa, I guess) we haven't lost anyone who played with any regularity for Lop. RAN couldn't get in ahead of Toti.

I can appreciate his and fans' frustrations but it's no good stocking your squad with crap that the manager doesn't want to use.

 

[Kenny]

I can appreciate his and fans' frustrations but it's no good stocking your squad with crap that the manager doesn't want to use.

Whilst true you also have to replace them with players he does want to use

 

[Johnny75]

Neves aside (and Costa, I guess) we haven't lost anyone who played with any regularity for Lop. RAN couldn't get in ahead of Toti.

I can appreciate his and fans' frustrations but it's no good stocking your squad with crap that the manager doesn't want to use.

It was Lop's decision to play Toti, he likes a CB at FB on one side.

To call him crap is just plain wrong. He isn't, he's a very good player just didn't fit this manager's system.

Doc is an appalling signing and will play more than RAN which again is Lop's call and he'll probably pay for it one way or another.

 

[Dire Wolf]

He started 2 league games under Lopetegui, if he wants to keep these players then maybe he should use them...

Oh, for sure, but given Lop's outburst (apparently) about lack of quality in the squad and likely relegation, it doesn't seem like selling another member of that already weak squad regardless of how much or little Lop uses him is going to be popular with him.

Personally, I think Lopetegui needs to focus more on getting a better tune out of the players he HAS got rather than whingeing about the ones he hasn't. Although he did a good job at keeping us up last year under difficult circumstances, there were very few occasions where I thought he had us playing good football, or even looking like a team that had a plan or style of play. In fact there were times where as a team we looked all over the place, so while I acknowledge he saved our necks last year, for me he still has a lot to prove. So if he decides to throw his toys out of his pram, so be it.

The biggest problem with that is that I don't trust the club to find a decent replacement. We are as likely to find a Zenga or a Lage as we are a Nuno or a Lopetegui. What I would love is for us to find someone who can get a tune out of the decent players we have already, I'm not sure Lop is that man.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Personally, I think Lopetegui needs to focus more on getting a better tune out of the players he HAS got rather than whingeing about the ones he hasn't.

Absolutely this, it can't be doing a lot for morale either.

 

[Kenny]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685956154638127105

 

[Wolf of Ashford]

I remember when Vinagre was extremely highly rated and many thought he could play a more advanced role too. Despite a prodigious amount of step-overs there was never much end product and I can see RAN going the same way. Beating players in relatively safe areas looks great but is pointless if you don’t do something positive afterwards. The spin turn against Celtic summed RAN up perfectly- a moment of brilliance followed by awful control. After the Liverpool game two years ago when he was superb against Salah I thought he was the real deal but he’s not played as well since. He may well go on to great things but at the moment he’s nowhere near the player I hoped he’d be by now.

Whilst i don't completely disagree with you, RAN was heavily involved in creating the opening for the penalty and it was RAN & Fabio that linked up again to create the chance for Cunha against Celtic. Given the limited time he was in advanced position, that's not bad output

 

[The Bear]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1685956154638127105

Complicated = Jeff whining about the 50% sell on for Angers so is either demanding all the money up front, or has tacked on some stupid extra addons to try and guarantee us some more money out of the deal.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

To be fair - if they're offering £15m (for example) for him, which would be a lot given he didn't even start 10 league games last season, and we only get £7.5m of it, then that's a pretty shit deal for us. I don't know what we can do to get round it though realistically.

 

[Kenny]

Complicated = Jeff whining about the 50% sell on for Angers so is either demanding all the money up front, or has tacked on some stupid extra addons to try and guarantee us some more money out of the deal.

The bastard.

Sell him on the cheap Jeff

 

[Del Woppio]

Having a 50% whole fee clause was going to piss us off either way tbh. If he was wicked and City wanted him for £51m we'd be pissed off that we had to give Angers £10m to buy out the clause and end up marginally better off. It was a stupid way of doing the deal when we could have probably paid a few extra million upfront for a more sensible clause. Short termism yet again from our illustrious leader

 

[Deano]

Are these deals where its a percentage of the whole fee even common? I thought it was usually a percentage of any profit.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Whilst i don't completely disagree with you, RAN was heavily involved in creating the opening for the penalty and it was RAN & Fabio that linked up again to create the chance for Cunha against Celtic. Given the limited time he was in advanced position, that's not bad output

I was basing my comment on his performances previously in the PL not the Celtic game. I used an example from that game as it was fresh in my mind. If he stays hopefully the examples you have given become a regular occurrence.

 

[Johnny75]

Are these deals where its a percentage of the whole fee even common? I thought it was usually a percentage of any profit.

Usually is. Jeff will Jeff

I wonder if he'll come back from China

 

[PuntsWolf]

Having a 50% whole fee clause was going to piss us off either way tbh. If he was wicked and City wanted him for £51m we'd be pissed off that we had to give Angers £10m to buy out the clause and end up marginally better off. It was a stupid way of doing the deal when we could have probably paid a few extra million upfront for a more sensible clause. Short termism yet again from our illustrious leader

Disagree. We either pay then £10m now (or whatever it is to buy the clause out) or we paid them that £10m they wanted at the time.

It makes no difference.

Now if we sell him for £15m and have to give away £7.5m then he ends up costing us less than he would have done.

We did a deal that way to protect ourselves from risk. For whatever reaosn it hasn’t worked out and we’re going to make a small loss. We can’t have our cake and eat it

 

[Del Woppio]

Disagree. We either pay then £10m now (or whatever it is to buy the clause out) or we paid them that £10m they wanted at the time.

It makes no difference.

Now if we sell him for £15m and have to give away £7.5m then he ends up costing us less than he would have done.

We did a deal that way to protect ourselves from risk. For whatever reaosn it hasn’t worked out and we’re going to make a small loss. We can’t have our cake and eat it

Aye but I don't think the £10m sell on fee would've equated to £10m up front is the point. I think we cheaped out and ended up costing ourselves more money because we can't manage cash flow

 

[Johnny75]

Disagree. We either pay then £10m now (or whatever it is to buy the clause out) or we paid them that £10m they wanted at the time.

It makes no difference.

Now if we sell him for £15m and have to give away £7.5m then he ends up costing us less than he would have done.

We did a deal that way to protect ourselves from risk. For whatever reaosn it hasn’t worked out and we’re going to make a small loss. We can’t have our cake and eat it

I think you've misunderstood most deals like this.

They are usually structured on percentage of profit not total fee.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Aye but I don't think the £10m sell on fee would've equated to £10m up front is the point. I think we cheaped out and ended up costing ourselves more money because we can't manage cash flow

That’s all speculation on the values (so are the terms of the deal tbf).

The option was rumoured to be £20m and then we signed him for £10m with the rumoured “50% of financial rights” or whatever.

I can’t see Angers would have done themselves out of money so IMO I doubt the deal was significantly less.

Even if it was £7.5m extra, it’s now costing us that £7.5m now if we sell him. So no different

 

[PuntsWolf]

I think you've misunderstood most deals like this.

They are usually structured on percentage of profit not total fee.

I haven’t misunderstood it. They said it was total fee which we could buy out.

If it’s just profit then they (Wolves) have nothing to moan about as we will still be turning a profit and more so than we would have done if we bought him for the £20m at the outset.