The Incoming Transfers Everywhere Thread: Summer 2023

[Lichens]

I assume people would if Matt Doherty had come through Liverpool's Academy rather than Bohemians' Academy.

Clearly based on the 50 pages of dross about how poor Doherty is I had to wade through.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It wasn't even the question though?

If Del had said "no-one has played in the League of Ireland and then been good in the Premier League" then it'd be obtuse to not include Doherty (along with Roy Keane, Shane Long, Kevin Doyle, Seamus Coleman etc).

We shouldn't be signing Doherty now for a lot of reasons.

 

[Lichens]

I’ll just appreciate the irony

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Honestly got no idea where you're going with this. And there isn't any irony there.

Doherty was a very poor Championship RB/LB then Nuno found him a bespoke role in a team that was always likely to be dominant at that level. He did well. He then did well in the Premier League in the same role that absolutely no-one else in the world played although there were caveats and over time we got worked out. We moved him on, we said if Spurs played him how you would expect a RWB to play normally he would be shit, we said if he played as a RB he would be worse than shit, he was and they got rid of him for free with about 18 months of his contract to run, which hardly ever happens.

We definitely shouldn't sign him now as he's been awful ever since he left us and we know he can't play at RB, we do not play a back five, it shouldn't even be anything near our radar.

If you asked me if I would take £200k for him in the summer of 2017 then I would have said yes, he went on to perform well in a vastly different role to what he'd ever played or ever even been conceived of before, which no-one could or would have ever predicted.

What that has got to do with Conor Coady or the statement "no ex-Liverpool Academy players are actually any good", I don't know.

 

[Johnny75]

I’ll just appreciate the irony

This makes no sense.

 

[Del Woppio]

Like ten thousand spoons

 

[Lichens]

The irony is there are tens of thousands of words in this thread on how poor Doherty was for Wolves, but then Coady is held up as the example of success for Liverpool’s academy when they both had similar careers at Wolves.

 

[Alan]

The irony is there are tens of thousands of words in this thread on how poor Doherty was for Wolves, but then Coady is held up as the example of success for Liverpool’s academy when they both had similar careers at Wolves.

 

[Lichens]

Yeah? Connor Coady comes in, for 2 years is a sub-par to average Championship CM and shoehorned RB. Then he performs well for 3-4 years as a sweeper in a back five thanks to Nuno.

Doherty five years as a below average championship RB then performed well under Nuno for three seasons as a wing back.

Both have failed to get any success going after leaving Wolves.

The only difference I see is that Doherty was at Wolves younger and for longer before Nuno.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The irony is there are tens of thousands of words in this thread on how poor Doherty was for Wolves, but then Coady is held up as the example of success for Liverpool’s academy when they both had similar careers at Wolves.

No, there is no irony, because it wasn't the question.

Not sure how you're missing this.

I don't think Coady is particularly lauded on here, pretty much everyone didn't want him back when Everton said no.

 

[Lichens]

No, there is no irony, because it wasn't the question.

Not sure how you're missing this.

I don't think Coady is particularly lauded on here, pretty much everyone didn't want him back when Everton said no.

I’m not missing anything. You think I’m saying you should be labeling Doherty a success of Liverpool’s academy for some reason.

Liverpool’s academy is irrelevant. The point is you’re labeling Connor Coady as being a decent premier league footballer at one point. Would you say Matt Doherty was a decent premier league footballer at one point? If you would then there you go, but many posts on here would suggest not many people would. And if they would, I think a lot of posts are unnecessarily harsh then.

Note, I wouldn’t want either in the starting XI, but the inconsistency is annoying.

 

[Tredman]

Coady was our captain during the most successful period most of us have ever known. He was also a very good example and spokesperson for the club. Of course he will be well remembered.

It was sadly the right time for him to move on, but at least he always gave his best unlike Doc for example.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I’m not missing anything. You think I’m saying you should be labeling Doherty a success of Liverpool’s academy for some reason.

Liverpool’s academy is irrelevant. The point is you’re labeling Connor Coady as being a decent premier league footballer at one point. Would you say Matt Doherty was a decent premier league footballer at one point? If you would then there you go, but many posts on here would suggest not many people would. And if they would, I think a lot of posts are unnecessarily harsh then.

Note, I wouldn’t want either in the starting XI, but the inconsistency is annoying.

But you were quoting Johnny's post where he briefly argued Coady wasn't a great example of Liverpool's Academy bearing fruit. The argument was made that he might have been shite once but he wasn't after and certainly did well enough to be considered to have a decent PL career (the original point being from Del that no-one from there in recent memory has). Both accepted after they were wrong which is fine.

Matt Doherty has absolutely nothing to do with it, it's like if you asked me if Queen were a decent band and I said "actually I think Game On was an underrated sitcom from the 90s", it would make no sense at all.

If you want to defend Doc then fine but in that context it doesn't fit.

 

[Lichens]

You say Connor Coady was a good player. You frequently say Matt Doherty was a very bad player. I say Matt Doherty had a fairly equivalent Wolves career to Connor Coady. I believe based on the reasoning I already gave that the stance is inconsistent.

 

[BillyDee]

Game On was an underrated sitcom from the 90s.

 

[loppers86]

Yeah? Connor Coady comes in, for 2 years is a sub-par to average Championship CM and shoehorned RB. Then he performs well for 3-4 years as a sweeper in a back five thanks to Nuno.

Doherty five years as a below average championship RB then performed well under Nuno for three seasons as a wing back.

Both have failed to get any success going after leaving Wolves.

The only difference I see is that Doherty was at Wolves younger and for longer before Nuno.

it does show what a fantastic manager Nuno was though!

 

[Johnny75]

You say Connor Coady was a good player. You frequently say Matt Doherty was a very bad player. I say Matt Doherty had a fairly equivalent Wolves career to Connor Coady. I believe based on the reasoning I already gave that the stance is inconsistent.

You seem to be arguing against something which wasn't said and completely out of context from the original posts.

It's all a bit weird.

 

[Boozad]

You say Connor Coady was a good player. You frequently say Matt Doherty was a very bad player. I say Matt Doherty had a fairly equivalent Wolves career to Connor Coady. I believe based on the reasoning I already gave that the stance is inconsistent.

Doherty had 2.5 good seasons. Beyond that he was a fucking disgrace.

You also missed the point by a fucking light year.

 

[The Bear]

Oh good. Another tedious Doherty argument, this time on the semantics of the first one!

If Jeff read this forum regularly he'd be trying to sign someone sharpish.

 

[Boozad]

It’s got to be bad if it’s boring Bear.