The Football News Thread 2024/25

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don’t know what to say except that the conclusion you’ve arrived at, given the circumstances and particularly the fact that if he didn’t come out, the papers were going to force him out (which is such an incredible violation of his agency), is deeply saddening.

Is that a fact?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

And for the record, yes, my depression has absolutely played a crucial part in many of the hurtful, sometimes hateful things I’ve done in my life. When that headspace takes me, I can be… reprehensible. To minimize it’s role is to minimize my experience, and you don’t have the right to tell me my own motivations. Equally, my depression is a piece of my self; to say “I said these unrepeatable things because of the mental state my depression can push me into” does not relieve me of the responsibility or consequences. And nor does it seem to have done for Coote, who doesn’t appear to have been allowed back as a referee following his statement.

I haven't told you anything, I'm telling you how I have dealt with things and what I believe regarding me and issues I have had.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

And nor does it seem to have done for Coote....

That's exactly what I'm disagreeing with, I think that's exactly what Coote thinks, and the first line you quoted absolutely suggests that.

 

[Alan]

I haven't told you anything, I'm telling you how I have dealt with things and what I believe.

The logic is the same and if you can’t see that, I’m sorry.

 

[Tony Towner]

Is that a fact?

Over 50 years of precedent

I haven't told you anything, I'm telling you how I have dealt with things and what I believe.

You've completely ignored his own lived experience in a crass manner.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

The logic is the same and if you can’t see that, I’m sorry.

I have amended my post.

 

[Alan]

That's exactly what I'm disagreeing with, I think that's exactly what Coote thinks, and the first line you quoted absolutely suggests that.

Is that a fact?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Is that a fact?

That's exactly what that sentence says!?

"My sexuality isn’t the only reason"

Clearly he is saying it is part of the reason.

 

[AndyWolves]

I haven't told you that your depression is irrelevant to your actions though.

I'm saying that if after doing something "bad" I told everyone that the reason i made bad choices was because I was gay or because of the colour of my skin, or because of genetics or anything at all, I'd not be taking responsibility for those actions and also would be suggesting that whatever "excuse/reason" I was giving would be devaluing it.

I've made bad decisions, very bad decisions in my life, and I've taken responsibility for them. Not blamed something else or someone else and made excuses, that's what I believe Coote is doing here.

Life is difficult.

People are products of their environment.

It does sound like an excuse, but it's true.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

“I said these unrepeatable things because of the mental state my depression can push me into” does not relieve me of the responsibility or consequences.

So you agree with me.

The thing is I think that's exactly what Coote was hoping for, and that's my issue.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

You've completely ignored his own lived experience in a crass manner.

I think Coote has been caught out doing something stupid, regrets it and has played for a sympathy vote.

He has actually devalued the effects of living with the fear of his sexuality by saying it led to him doing a few cheeky lines of coke and saying that Klopp is a cunt.

It's ridiculous.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I have friends who do coke, it's not because they're closeted gays, it's because they fucking love it.

 

[Alan]

Please stop acting like you know the experience of coming out.

 

[lemonjelly]

I genuinely am struggling to comprehend some of what I am reading.