How do we compare to...

[Tony Towner]

It think at the start of the season the club were hoping/expecting us stay up comfortably.

Maybe, but they saw the floor as 17th and thought Johnson added to the squad would be enough to deliver that, whilst ignoring obvious weaknesses elsewhere. Tbf I thought he was a good signing, although MM should have seen the captaincy issue a mile off. It's only in hindsight I saw Blues' set up of a deep line, Dann and practically 3 screening midfielders made him look good.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Maybe, but they saw the floor as 17th amf thought Johnson added to the squad would be enough to deliver that, whilst ignoring obvious weaknesses elsewhere. Tbf I thought he was a good signing, although MM should leave seen the captaincy issue a mile off. It's only in hindsight I saw Blues' set up of a deep line, Dann and practically 3 screening midfielders made him look good.

Joe Hart when he was very good behind them too.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Maybe, but they saw the floor as 17th amf thought Johnson added to the squad would be enough to deliver that, whilst ignoring obvious weaknesses elsewhere. Tbf I thought he was a good signing, although MM should have seen the captaincy issue a mile off. It's only in hindsight I saw Blues' set up of a deep line, Dann and practically 3 screening midfielders made him look good.

The Henry/Johnson thing is another moment where we as fans have underestimated the importance of the captaincy.

And I'm surprised given Mick being old school, that he didn't realise the impact on Henry and any of his allies it would have.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The Henry/Johnson thing is another moment where we as fans have underestimated the importance of the captaincy.

And I'm surprised given Mick being old school, that he didn't realise the impact on Henry and any of his allies it would have.

There are times when it has worked though?

Switching from Pies Butler to Ince definitely worked out well, and Henry himself took it off Craddock who then went on to play his best football in a Wolves shirt (probably in his career).

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

There are times when it has worked though?

Switching from Pies Butler to Ince definitely worked out well, and Henry himself took it off Craddock who then went on to play his best football in a Wolves shirt (probably in his career).

Yeah, you're proving my point for me though aren't you?

It's really important.

However, with Johnson it was always obviously going to be an issue, it killed team spirit once the chips were down.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just it isn't an automatic thing of "don't take it off a well-respected player".

We weren't to know what a dickhead Johnson was, the club should have found out though.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Just it isn't an automatic thing of "don't take it off a well-respected player".

We weren't to know what a dickhead Johnson was, the club should have found out though.

I disagree, it seemed a barmy decision to me at the time. That whole side's foundation was built on spirit and effort, making a brand new signing a captain was a big risk.

 

[White Wolf]

It was a mistake to take the captaincy off Henry and give it to Johnson but I can understand McCarthy's thinking. You see it played out over the next two seasons, the arrogance of some of our leadership players was a significant detriment to the team. Basically everything I see/read from that period and since paints a picture of Henry being divisive. There was a clique of who was his mates/allies which the captaincy decision exposed, but it was already there.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Also Henry increasingly conducted himself poorly on field. His ridiculous challenge at Wigan in 2010 and kick out at Marc Albrighton vs Villa in 2012 cost us those two games, and he made himself look an absolute idiot against Joey Barton when QPR mullered us in 2011.

I should love him. Cost pennies, captained us to promotion and then survival in the PL, my kind of midfielder (in as much as he was never the kind of fanny we had in the 90s), comes from two miles down the road from me and we're a similar age.

I don't though, he's a dickhead.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Him being a huge Tory is the problem for me.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Him being a huge Tory is the problem for me.

Funnily enough Walsall North (my childhood seat, and right on his doorstep but he's just the other side of the border, he's Ashmore Park, I'm New Invention) inexplicably went Tory in 2017 and 2019. A right horrible prick of an MP too, Eddie Hughes, who 30 years ago would probably be standing for the BNP.

Makes no sense.

 

[AndyWolves]

The Henry/Johnson thing is another moment where we as fans have underestimated the importance of the captaincy.

And I'm surprised given Mick being old school, that he didn't realise the impact on Henry and any of his allies it would have.

The old gold podcast suggested that Mick and Henry stopped seeing eye to eye at this point. Iirc Mick even said Henry should have gone because Henry wasn't backing Mick in the dressing room.

 

[Banjo]

Henry was also in full cunt mode during Stale's time. Made no secret of the fact he didn't want to change the way he or the team played. Then smirked on the pitch on Sky after Saunders' first match, saying "we played Championship football because, you know, it's the Championship" - as if that's something to be proud of.

 

[The Dude]

For attitude these lot are the worst

Maybe before Mick's sacking. After TC took over that team approached most games as if they were already defeated. Nothing good about their attitude.