The Football News Thread 2023/24

[Tony Towner]

Yep, that’s all correct, but lower income and greater risk is just why we cost less, to buy and run. Guess I’m interested in the different logic of just extracting value rather than making something (look) profitable for value on exit - which is what I crudely assumed would happen. And rather hoped would, albeit out of the far and into the fryer perhaps.

Also worth noting the distinction that Fosun did put money into the club, both at point of purchase and beyond. The Glazers just used Man Utds assets to leverage debt and drew a significant income off it. They've made a lot of bad decisions, the largest being who they put in to run us, but the investment model is different

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'm in Gran Canaria this week, and I've never seen fewer Man Utd shirts, it's quite weird. Seen far more Man City and Inter Miami shirts. Very anecdotal, but things are starting to shift away from them, 6 years since their last trophy? And that was the Europa League.

There will be a swathe of kids in high school who've never seen them win anything.

That's unthinkable as a teenager of the 90s.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They are back to pre Fergie. Only very rarely challenging for the league (under Atkinson they won the first ten straight and still ended up fourth I think) but decent in the cup.

You have to remember that bar Busby and Fergie their only league titles were before World War I.

 

[Aikiwolf]

I'm in Gran Canaria this week, and I've never seen fewer Man Utd shirts, it's quite weird. Seen far more Man City and Inter Miami shirts. Very anecdotal, but things are starting to shift away from them, 6 years since their last trophy? And that was the Europa League.

There will be a swathe of kids in high school who've never seen them win anything.

That's unthinkable as a teenager of the 90s.

I'm in Johannesburg right now and the only Prem shorts I've seen (other than the Wolves one I have) are Man Utd.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Over here you tend to see Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid and for some odd reason PSG. I have seen very few shirts of either Manchester club.

 

[SSB]

Over here you tend to see Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid and for some odd reason PSG. I have seen very few shirts of either Manchester club.

Surprised me recently to see the PSG have a clubshop on Oxford Street in London.

 

[AndyWolves]

This popped up on my twitter feed today

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741993821221560723

 

[Alan]

This popped up on my twitter feed today

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741993821221560723

It has been killing me to not bring this up.

It’s been in my mind since Lemina’s sending off for looking at the ref sideways.

 

[AndyWolves]

It has been killing me to not bring this up.

It’s been in my mind since Lemina’s sending off for looking at the ref sideways.

Puts a slightly different perspective on last night's events.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Load of rubbish tbh.

Presumably refs in the 2000s were all anti-Irish too as they kept handing out red cards to Roy Keane and Richard Dunne.

 

[Alan]

Load of rubbish tbh.

Presumably refs in the 2000s were all anti-Irish too as they kept handing out red cards to Roy Keane and Richard Dunne.

You know as well as I do that picking out two very aggressive players doesn’t disprove anything related to how non-white players have been refereed.

 

[Tony Towner]

You know as well as I do that picking out two very aggressive players doesn’t disprove anything related to how non-white players have been refereed.

Fancy a go on my scooter Alan?

 

[Johnny75]

This popped up on my twitter feed today

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741993821221560723

His data presentation and selection is skewed by his opinion.

He's literally putting the data in and weighting it to his favoured outcome. It's a disingenuous piece at best.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

Over here you tend to see Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid and for some odd reason PSG. I have seen very few shirts of either Manchester club.

Just spent 5 days in Spain (Torrevieja) sorting out wife's mother who has a mental illness, we ate out every night and including walks along the sea front only saw 1 Seahawks top, 1 Liverpool top and one Leeds Utd top. That's it. No Manchester clubs, and interestingly no fake tops of any football clubs at all on sale. Lots and lots of fucking sunglasses though'!

 

[AndyWolves]

His data presentation and selection is skewed by his opinion.

He's literally putting the data in and weighting it to his favoured outcome. It's a disingenuous piece at best.

Could you elaborate on that?

 

[Johnny75]

Could you elaborate on that?

I thought I was fairly precise.

His data is broad brush but chooses two criteria he wants to fulfil his desired outcome. That's not good research.

He didn't include a multitude of factors (what the cards were for, were non-bame players given a different card for the same offence) and presents his data in a form that suggests he wants the readers to be outraged.

He then suggests financial compensation as a remedy. This is the outcome he is trying to justify.

It's a very poor article and falls apart under any sort of scrutiny.

 

[PuntsWolf]

The remedies are stupid but 61% is a big number from a decent data set. Particularly when they have factored in position. Not sure how drilling down into the numbers would eliminate that.

 

[Johnny75]

The remedies are stupid but 61% is a big number from a decent data set. Particularly when they have factored in position. Not sure how drilling down into the numbers would eliminate that.

It means nothing unless you compare like for like.

 

[AndyWolves]

I know you should play the ball and not the man but ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721233588643889181

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Manchester United don’t get enough penalties??????

Is he taking the fucking piss????