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The FIFA Debacle

MARKakaJIM said:
Who were you going to sue and on what grounds?

Henry for using his arm? The officials for not spotting it? There's no way FIFA could've granted a replay as it sets a dangerous precedent, everytime a team was screwed by a incorrect decision in a big game they'd all be out demanding a replay, it'd just get silly. Even if FAI had gone down the appeal road it could've just as easily been turned down by FIFA and they'd end up with no qualification, no money and massive lawyers bill, who wins then?

And the bit in bold just comes across incredibly bitter.
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Oh for sure, I was bitter then and I am still bitter about it now. We had a great chance of beating France that night.

In relation the suing question, Delaney came out publicly after that game and said we would take legal action as it was a question of sporting integrity. i believe you are correct, we would have lost and run up huge legal bills, but it was the right thing to do in the interests of fairness, morality and transparency.

Brushing it all under the carpet for 5 mill and not even issuing a statement to inform the fans is whats causing the furore but don't let that get in the way of you being contrary as per usual....
 
Dublin Drummer Wolf said:
Oh for sure, I was bitter then and I am still bitter about it now. We had a great chance of beating France that night.

In relation the suing question, Delaney came out publicly after that game and said we would take legal action as it was a question of sporting integrity. i believe you are correct, we would have lost and run up huge legal bills, but it was the right thing to do in the interests of fairness, morality and transparency.

Brushing it all under the carpet for 5 mill and not even issuing a statement to inform the fans is whats causing the furore but don't let that get in the way of you being contrary as per usual....
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I just don't see what would be gained from the legal proceedings.

Everyone who had seen the game knew everything there was to know. Henry had handballed it, the match officials didn't give the foul, FIFA weren't going to allow a replay, it was unlikely there were going to be any great punishment for either referee or Henry. It's not like there was some huge conspiracy that needed to be exposed, played cheated, referee missed it or allowed it and FIFA backed their man, there was no revelation to be had through legal proceedings so it would've just been a fruitless waste of money.
 
It's possibly a poor comparison but look at Charles Kennedy deeply opposed the war and rocked up to the anti-war protests, or the attempts made by Labour to recruit him, We still ŵemt to war and he remained a lib dem but he came out of it very well with a lot of dignity and respect from all sides and it's been a recurring theme in the eulogies he's received in the last few days. It's a matter of principle.

Has the 5m been funnelled into grassroots football? Or was it put towards something like Lileshall/St. George's Park? Chances are, no.
 
Lincs_Wolf said:
It's possibly a poor comparison but look at Charles Kennedy deeply opposed the war and rocked up to the anti-war protests, or the attempts made by Labour to recruit him, We still ŵemt to war and he remained a lib dem but he came out of it very well with a lot of dignity and respect from all sides and it's been a recurring theme in the eulogies he's received in the last few days. It's a matter of principle.

Has the 5m been funnelled into grassroots football? Or was it put towards something like Lileshall/St. George's Park? Chances are, no.
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Good post and the comparison is a fair one. if Delaney had stood by his principles, he would have come out of this looking like he actually cared.

The 5 mill went straight into servicing the debt accrued by building the Aviva. So into the banks essentially.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
I'm assuming Wales lost the fight in their case?

I just don't see the point in going after something that you know isn't going to happen, it's completely pointless.

Ireland not qualifying meant that their players/supporters missed out on a experience and the FAI lost out financially, well the experience was never going to be returned to them as a replay just wouldn't happen so that leaves the FAI with a choice. Was it better for them to shout from the rooftops about something that everyone already knew or take the compensation on offer and at last partially soften the blow of not qualifying, to my mind they took the sensible option, no matter what they'd tried they weren't going to get a replay and so weren't getting the money as a result of qualifying.
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So all the complaints and criticisms of Sepp for the last umpteen years have been a waste of time ?.

You either accept wrong doing/bribes/hush money, or you play by the rules. I can see where you stand on this.
 
pavlosmacwolf said:
So all the complaints and criticisms of Sepp for the last umpteen years have been a waste of time ?.

You either accept wrong doing/bribes/hush money, or you play by the rules. I can see where you stand on this.
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Are you not at cross purposes here?

The FAI did not have a leg to stand on going after FIFA about Henry's handball, it was a footballing incident missed on the pitch, shame, but hard cheese. It has no parallels with Wales either, retrospective action can and has been taken against illegible players

The fact that FIFA offered money and the FAI took just shows how fucked up the system was.
 
pavlosmacwolf said:
So all the complaints and criticisms of Sepp for the last umpteen years have been a waste of time ?.

You either accept wrong doing/bribes/hush money, or you play by the rules. I can see where you stand on this.
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Well majority of it has been a complete waste of time yes, only recently with the evidence gained through Chuck Blazer has anything actually happened against FIFA, the countless years of bitching and whining that preceeded it achieved nothing at all.

As I've already said, I think this case with the FAI is more along the lines of compensation than anything else, they weren't going to get anything out of FIFA by going down a legal route so that financial handout was better than nothing, it's not like FAI were about to launch the start of crackdown on FIFA that we're seeing now so their moral crusade would have got them nothing but a hefty bill from the lawyers.
 
Dublin Drummer Wolf said:
Good post and the comparison is a fair one. if Delaney had stood by his principles, he would have come out of this looking like he actually cared.

The 5 mill went straight into servicing the debt accrued by building the Aviva. So into the banks essentially.
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Just listened to a bloke on the radio and nobody is actually sure where the money did go as it isn't clearly (if at all) shown in any accounts as a stand alone item, we presume it went into the rebuilding of the Aviva, which the finance of which was his fuck-up, funny the IRFU with less opportunity for international exposure and less of a base to work from have managed to service their side of the debt with no bother and still employ world class coaches etc (funny as a big rugby fan I dont know what the head of the IRFU looks like).

If he had said at the time he had €5m it could have been used for grass-roots or to help fund the LOI teams who were suffering the full brunt of the economic crash, I think 8 out of the 22 clubs, went bust in that period.
 
Lincs_Wolf said:
I read yesterday that Delaneys salary is 360,000 euro in comparison to the Irish champions winning 100,000 euro. Astounding.
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Yep more then the combined salary's of his Spanish and Italian counterparts.
 
I'm with Mark, legal action was stupid and pointless. When are England opening up the legal case to be given the World Cup and who against.? Maradonna, AFA, the ref or FIFA?

And really it is an out of court settlement. If a customer is unhappy with something, even if you feel you have done nothing wrong you will give them a refund because it it not worth the hassle of having a legal case over your head for years, with tons of letters to and from lawyers and the potential damage to your reputation with your customers spread of anger. If you just pay them to fuck off you solve all these issues. That is effectively what FIFA have done.
 
I am looking forward to next time Shamrock Rovers, Bohemians etc get on the wrong end of a blatant howler from a ref, which costs them a game (which with the standard of LOI refs will be within the next 24 hours), rocking up to John D's pad looking for compo or they will begin legal proceedings.
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Just listened to a bloke on the radio and nobody is actually sure where the money did go as it isn't clearly (if at all) shown in any accounts as a stand alone item, we presume it went into the rebuilding of the Aviva, which the finance of which was his fuck-up, funny the IRFU with less opportunity for international exposure and less of a base to work from have managed to service their side of the debt with no bother and still employ world class coaches etc (funny as a big rugby fan I dont know what the head of the IRFU looks like).

If he had said at the time he had €5m it could have been used for grass-roots or to help fund the LOI teams who were suffering the full brunt of the economic crash, I think 8 out of the 22 clubs, went bust in that period.
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Yep, the whole thing stinks
 
And he will tell them to do one. Ireland should be happy, they got $5m when they should have got nothing. Let's call it a good will gesture
 
PuntsWolf said:
And he will tell them to do one. Ireland should be happy, they got $5m when they should have got nothing. Let's call it a good will gesture
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Of course your correct and I agree with you, we got a good deal for just acting like a bolloxs and whinging. Take it grudgingly and move on.

The fact the deal was done in secret, the double standards involved and the fact that the money was never allocated stinks and shows perfectly what is wrong with FIFA and many of the national associations.

(Plus I think Delaney is a cunt)
 
Donegal Wolf said:
Of course your correct and I agree with you, we got a good deal for just acting like a bolloxs and whinging. Take it grudgingly and move on.

The fact the deal was done in secret, the double standards involved and the fact that the money was never allocated stinks and shows perfectly what is wrong with FIFA and many of the national associations.

(Plus I think Delaney is a cunt)
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The way the payment was dealt with does seem strange, though I have no issue with the principle behind it. FIFA and FAI could've actually spun it in quite a positive fashion if they'd wanted, FIFA could've been seeing to be being somewhat charitable and softening the blow of Ireland missing out in controversial circumstances, FAI could've said they were investing money into the future of the game in a bid to avoid such disappointments in the future, all that sort of bollocks.

It all would've been so easy to explain why it was done but keeping it secret and hiding it in the accounts make it seem far dodgier that it need to have been.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
The way the payment was dealt with does seem strange, though I have no issue with the principle behind it. FIFA and FAI could've actually spun it in quite a positive fashion if they'd wanted, FIFA could've been seeing to be being somewhat charitable and softening the blow of Ireland missing out in controversial circumstances, FAI could've said they were investing money into the future of the game in a bid to avoid such disappointments in the future, all that sort of bollocks.

It all would've been so easy to explain why it was done but keeping it secret and hiding it in the accounts make it seem far dodgier that it need to have been.
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Exactly, so now you see that the issue is with delaney's double standards more than anything.

I sincerely hope he goes the same way as Blatter.
 
Dublin Drummer Wolf said:
Exactly, so now you see that the issue is with delaney's double standards more than anything.

I sincerely hope he goes the same way as Blatter.
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I thought the issue was that FAI didn't go to the moon and back to force a replay rather than take financial compensation?
 
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