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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

Carsy said:
By eclipse our position you mean finish 8th instead of us, or 7th and above? Absolutely zero chance of Brighton finishing top 7 in their current guise, striker or no striker
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Unsurprisingly I don't agree with that.
 
Carsy said:
The league table is a guide, but not an absolutely science. If nuno had finished 8th last year, there wouldn’t have been people questioning his future. Similarly, if Lage finished 13th this year playing the brand of football we are currently there will be huge questions.

We are 8th more because of other teams failings rather than our success IMO, which I agree isn’t sustainable.

You have the big 6, West Ham possibly in champions league next year, money bags Newcastle. Leicester recovering some players, the worry is serious stagnation and challenging top 6/7 becoming more and more difficult
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Are you hungover?
 
We are 8th. We are quite lucky to be 8th as we haven't played well in a good many games. But Lage has been in charge less than a year, and has worked with a squad limited in numbers and lacking in depth. The football has been sterile at times but to write Lage off and condemn him for this season is asinine.

It takes time to change a culture and style, even when given the tools to do so. Which I think we can all agree has not been the case. To judge Lage based on this season is very harsh. I'm fairly certain he knows the limitations of the team and the way they have played and I'm pretty sure he isn't happy about it. If the song remains the same next year then I think there may be mpre justification for the criticism. Expecting him to have changed things dramatically in one season is extremely unfair and unrealistic.
 
Johnny75 said:
Unsurprisingly I don't agree with that.
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It may be beneath you, but care to expand?

Nope, not hungover, just an opinion that appears to be different to yours.

Enlighten us as you know all….
 
Carsy said:
It may be beneath you, but care to expand?

Nope, not hungover, just an opinion that appears to be different to yours.

Enlighten us as you know all….
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Hold your horses there.

I did explain in my original post. If Brighton have an actual striker to feed rather than Championship level guff like Maupay they'd score far more goals and win more games.

I disagree with your statement that it would never happen.
 
On Lage and spending. He is currently competing with a Utd side that have spent close to 400 million in the last 3 seasons from a quick tally, and still look lost and abject more than they ever look decent this year.

That is an indication that Lage does some actual coaching and thinking. Sometimes it's not aligned with ours but we have had some decent games. In his first year in a new league, it appears he is close to finishing having won more games than loses, that is an achievement more than you would imagine in the Prem.
 
We do lose a lot too. We've only lost one fewer than Burnley who have been anchored in the bottom three all season. The same amount as Newcastle who had Steve Bruce for the opening quarter of the season.

With fans and without Raul's injury I would suggest we would have finished around 8th/9th last season under Nuno, we finished 7th the two years before that, we're going to finish around there again. He isn't doing anything special and there aren't many green shoots (to my eyes at least) where you think "this is encouraging". We're really bad to watch, other teams' fans hate us and with good cause.
 
I wouldn't take the win more than lose for granted. +2 with the top 3 still to play. W2L4 wouldn't be surprising
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
We do lose a lot too. We've only lost one fewer than Burnley who have been anchored in the bottom three all season. The same amount as Newcastle who had Steve Bruce for the opening quarter of the season.

With fans and without Raul's injury I would suggest we would have finished around 8th/9th last season under Nuno, we finished 7th the two years before that, we're going to finish around there again. He isn't doing anything special and there aren't many green shoots (to my eyes at least) where you think "this is encouraging". We're really bad to watch, other teams' fans hate us and with good cause.
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I believe they call this confirmation bias.
 
Perhaps you could list all the good performances this season :D

Won't take very long.

As I keep saying, I'm not against him because I said something a year ago and refuse to back down. I'm against him because his football is shit and he talks nonsense.
 
Johnny75 said:
Hold your horses there.

I did explain in my original post. If Brighton have an actual striker to feed rather than Championship level guff like Maupay they'd score far more goals and win more games.

I disagree with your statement that it would never happen.
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Consider my horses held. It was the hungover comment and laughie that did it for me, wasn’t sure how my comments on wolves were that OTT/from left field. My bad.

Agree to disagree, I don’t see how Brighton with a decent striker would finish where we are IMO. All immaterial Ofcourse.

But yeah, horses are back at the stables.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
We do lose a lot too. We've only lost one fewer than Burnley who have been anchored in the bottom three all season. The same amount as Newcastle who had Steve Bruce for the opening quarter of the season.

With fans and without Raul's injury I would suggest we would have finished around 8th/9th last season under Nuno, we finished 7th the two years before that, we're going to finish around there again. He isn't doing anything special and there aren't many green shoots (to my eyes at least) where you think "this is encouraging". We're really bad to watch, other teams' fans hate us and with good cause.
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A bit disingenuous this. The only teams that have won more than they've lost are the top 8, which does include us. We've nearly double the number of wins of all the teams from 14th down. To compare our results to Burnley and Newcastle is really being economical with the facts. And guess what? Just about every season the only teams guaranteed to win significantly more than they lose are those that finish in the top 6. And even then West Ham, Arsenal and Spurs have lost double figures numbers of games. Every PL season at least half the teams lose more than they win, we are (currently) not in that group. So nitpicking stats seems at the best churlish.
 
Win and loss stats are distorted either way by our lack of draws. Won joint 6th, lost joint 12th. Choose the stat that fits your narrative
 
It's not nitpicking really. He's done some good stuff and some absolutely terrible stuff. The problem is there's very little in between.

It's pretty rare that I rail against managers unless they're an obvious lost cause. I just think there are a lot of alarm bells ringing. I doubt anyone on here can tell me what a Bruno Lage team is supposed to look like. Or defend some of the crap he says (he's even worse than Lambert or Jones for nonsense).
 
Not overly concerned by the lack of draws. 3 points for a win after all. Win 1 lose 2 you’re in exactly the same position, depending on goal difference.

Our lack of draws in quite strange I must admit, but I’d much rather win 5 lose 5 for example then throw draws into the mix instead of wins, point wise
 
Carsy said:
Not overly concerned by the lack of draws. 3 points for a win after all. Win 1 lose 2 you’re in exactly the same position, depending on goal difference.

Our lack of draws in quite strange I must admit, but I’d much rather win 5 lose 5 for example then throw draws into the mix instead of wins, point wise
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I guess when you look at Leeds (home), Newcastle (away), Palace x2 and other assorted terrible performances you knew we were never going to win or draw those games and that's where good managers turn losses into draws.

At the moment I don't have faith that Lage can do that.
 
Johnny75 said:
I guess when you look at Leeds (home), Newcastle (away), Palace x2 and other assorted terrible performances you knew we were never going to win or draw those games and that's where good managers turn losses into draws.

At the moment I don't have faith that Lage can do that.
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I do have my doubts with Lage. The saving grace is we are 8th in the league. But yes, he seems to sometimes set us up in such a bizarre way. I agree our signings of late haven’t been great, and I’m not sure what our strategy in the transfer market is, however that aside Lage has still made plenty of mistakes regarding selections (dendonker as 1 of the front 3 a highlight) and being more reactive than proactive.

Hoping her get some players he wants
In this summer, whilst also holding in to the ones he wants and then we can have a more reliable opinion
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
We're really bad to watch, other teams' fans hate us and with good cause.
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Yup. The team assembled by Nuno has not been great to watch for two to three seasons now. Give the guy a chance to bring some new blood in and make his mark on the team and then decide. He's already stated that he's forced to play the way he is because he doesn't have the personnel to work in the formation he prefers.
 
thisisgil said:
Yup. The team assembled by Nuno has not been great to watch for two to three seasons now. Give the guy a chance to bring some new blood in and make his mark on the team and then decide. He's already stated that he's forced to play the way he is because he doesn't have the personnel to work in the formation he prefers.
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Crikey yes. I’m one of those old timers that can remember having to sit through that sht in Barcelona and Turin 3 seasons ago. Thank god Bruno has managed to extract the performances he has from players as limited as Neves and Moutinho. Kids of today don’t know how god they’ve got it.

Now, back on planet earth, the realpolitik is that when you look at the Mendes alternatives there is a logic in sticking with Bruno. He’s hardly been helped been by a shambolic recruitment ‘process’ either. Doesn’t mean you have to rewrite history to justify it. There’s a decent argument that we’ve got enough quality in this team to be playing better more often than we have. Other arguments are fine too, but pinning that Newcastle display and the like on Nuno? Fck off.

Let’s see what happens next season, hopefully it will be great.
 
Mel Evo said:
Other arguments are fine too, but pinning that Newcastle display and the like on Nuno? Fck off.
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At no point did I pin the Newcastle display on Nuno. I made the argument that performances for the last 2 1/2 seasons have been pretty dire and this is largely due to the playing squad that was not assembled on Lage's watch.

I believe we all essentially want the same thing and I'm happy to see that we've made significant steps towards it this season. I'd like to see what a Lage team looks like with a few of his own signings. And if it's gash, I'm more than happy to eat humble pie.
 
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