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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

Sniffer said:
We had profits on player sales of £14m in the 2021/2 season (Patricio and Mir) with the Vinagre sale to go on top of that.

So the sell to buy doesn't ring true either.
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Plus we are told we make more money out of kits now and the yoy PL finishing position is another £7m+
 
Tredman said:
What happens first - we sign a player or Johnson goes? My money is on the latter.
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I’ll stick a crafty tenner on both happening at the same time and us signing Johnson.

We’re not adverse to signing players for non-footballing reasons so, y’know, with all the publicity, I think this one’s got legs.
 
Factor in that Boly, Semedo, Moutinho, Dendoncker, Neves, Gibbs-White, Adama, Podence and Raul are now all into either their 12/24 months, even taking options into account, and the scale of the potential rebuild required in the near future is staggering. How are we going to fund that with this model?
 
Jinky said:
The journalists that seem close to the club are still adamant we want “2-3 new players” across the spine of the team. I just don’t see it. Would absolutely love something to come out of the blue, but I just don’t think we’re near anything. Meanwhile, Shi is relying on Mendes to sort him out, who in turn is spending all his time trying to arrange a move for Ronaldo, so we’re left with useless idiots like Sellars heading up the recruitment and he’s obviously way out of his depth.

We’re a mess.
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We'll sign someone, I think they're just waiting to see what happens with Neves.

If he stays we're probably going to have to sell MGW/Adama and our incomings will be players like (assuming the journalists are correct about wanting a CB, CM & striker) Mario Vuskovic at <€10M, André Almeida at €7M, Tomas Henry at €5M whereas if we sell Neves we can maybe afford to keep MGW & spend a little more on players like Collins or Guedes.
 
Nando said:
Factor in that Boly, Semedo, Moutinho, Dendoncker, Neves, Gibbs-White, Adama, Podence and Raul are now all into either their 12/24 months, even taking options into account, and the scale of the potential rebuild required in the near future is staggering. How are we going to fund that with this model?
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Well the simple answer to that is that we won't be able to. We're going to see a significant decrease in the quality of the squad over the next few years if it stays like this.
 
Essentially we need a £40m+ sale at least every other season. Neves then Neto/RAN and turn one of the 3 players you recruit to replace them into another £40m player in a couple of seasons, all whilst not reducing your own field competiveness. It's feasible, but unlikely firstly from a luck/recruitment perspective and secondly because it relies so much on Mendes
 
The problem is 2 or 3 additions isn't enough. To add to what Nando said about those players contract situations some of those like Boly and Raul are into their 30s and you'd need to start succession planning anyway.

People can try to down play it and say we aren't in too bad shape player wise but the reality is we are. Which is part of the reason we were 17th in the form table across the last 16 games of the season.

We are in the position we deserve to be by neglecting certain positions of the squad for such a sustained period of time. No first team CB in 5 years no first team CM in 4.
 
Deano said:
The problem is 2 or 3 additions isn't enough. To add to what Nando said about those players contract situations some of those like Boly and Raul are into their 30s and you'd need to start succession planning anyway.

People can try to down play it and say we aren't in too bad shape player wise but the reality is we are. Which is part of the reason we were 17th in the form table across the last 16 games of the season.

We are in the position we deserve to be by neglecting certain positions of the squad for such a sustained period of time. No first team CB in 5 years no first team CM in 4.
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I'd take 3 first team players at the moment and 2 more next season.

But at the moment they're on 0 for this and last season.
 
Lycan said:
We'll sign someone, I think they're just waiting to see what happens with Neves.

If he stays we're probably going to have to sell MGW/Adama and our incomings will be players like (assuming the journalists are correct about wanting a CB, CM & striker) Mario Vuskovic at <€10M, André Almeida at €7M, Tomas Henry at €5M whereas if we sell Neves we can maybe afford to keep MGW & spend a little more on players like Collins or Guedes.
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Financially at least that's the perfect model for me. You sell someone at peak price and reinvest into wider squad growth/strengthening for the mid-long term.

Obviously in practice it's more difficult to ensure success from a playing point of view. There are no guarantees with scouting and player development so some players won't develop in time for when they need to be relied upon or perhaps even ever get to the required standard. You have to spread your bets to some extent and hope you've done enough, if you get it right financially then you can hopefully build a bit of contingency to go and buy a short term fix in those situations.

You go back to when Jota was sold, he was probably at peak value and there were other options in the squad for his position, at times already taking his place, so he was a viable candidate to sell for funds. The reinvestment wasn't right though, if Fabio had been a third of his price and you could've then spent similar on a young centre half and central midfielder with a view to them coming into the first team in a year or two. Could've made the same case for Traore at that point in time but you can only sell what someone wants to buy.

Then you'd have pitched up last summer with maybe this young centre half maybe ready for more action, would maybe free Coady up for a big money sale after his England involvement. You spread those funds around again, maybe another young central midfield, a young wide player, with a view that this summer it might be Neves' turn to be the cash cow. Maybe you find another young forward too with eyes on Jimenez being next year's man out the door.

The squad size in recent years hasn't aligned with this practice though, you need to carry more players to allow for this succession planning. If you're going to gamble on these lesser lights you need to be able to nurture them and bring them along for when the incumbent has served their time. Wolves haven't had that conveyor belt so now they're getting to a point where a big chunk of the current team are getting stale or past their best and it's expensive to make like for like replacements, there isn't the time to wait for younger players to develop now.

Of your two proposals, selling MGW seems the better option at the moment, if you could get the sort of money being banded around. If it covered the signings of the three you cite then I'd see that as decent business. Player who doesn't really fit the current setup gone for big money, proven performer retained, desperately needed centre half option added, potential successor to Neves/Moutinho on board and a backup to Jimenez/Silva not working out.
 
All fine in principle if you have highly competent staff. We don’t across the various departments. As you say they’ve not realised they need a bigger squad for this.

Signings like Mosquera and Chiquinho I totally get. Trying to get them before they develop further and worth more. We’ve tried to do the same with Kossounou in the past when he was at Hammarby and Marquinhos before arsenal gazumped us.

The failure to see the gaps in what the squad needs in the short term is astonishing really though. We’ve needed a midfielder who can play out of pressure by carrying the ball for so long. A more mobile centre half who can pass forwards from the right too.
 
Mad how they've gaslit people into thinking that this "buy cheap, develop, then sell at a massive profit" thing is a strategy, when in reality it's happened once, when we were shafted on the fee, shafted on the payment terms, and a third of the income was offset by taking a player who can't be arsed to train and we'd be lucky to get £3m for if we sold him tomorrow.

Add the fact that we're seemingly incapable of managing player contracts properly, and so we're constantly finding ourselves in a position where we're having to compromise on the fee else risk losing people for nothing.

Our first team football operations executives are a fucking shambles.
 
YoungWolf said:
All fine in principle if you have highly competent staff. We don’t across the various departments. As you say they’ve not realised they need a bigger squad for this.

Signings like Mosquera and Chiquinho I totally get. Trying to get them before they develop further and worth more. We’ve tried to do the same with Kossounou in the past when he was at Hammarby and Marquinhos before arsenal gazumped us.

The failure to see the gaps in what the squad needs in the short term is astonishing really though. We’ve needed a midfielder who can play out of pressure by carrying the ball for so long. A more mobile centre half who can pass forwards from the right too.
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Some of the deals that have been done completely killed any chance of that strategy being viable, with or without the required staff to actually make it a success.

Semedo was completely unnecessary, they didn't need a signing like that and it absorbed so much of the budget that could've been used to try and cover other positions going forwards. Silva too, right kind of profile to understudy Jimenez but the fee was ridiculous and again killed any chance of investing in other positions that needed covering off in the next couple of years.

You've got to spread your bets to make that strategy work but they put too many eggs into too few baskets.
 
MARKakaJIM said:
Financially at least that's the perfect model for me. You sell someone at peak price and reinvest into wider squad growth/strengthening for the mid-long term.

Obviously in practice it's more difficult to ensure success from a playing point of view. There are no guarantees with scouting and player development so some players won't develop in time for when they need to be relied upon or perhaps even ever get to the required standard. You have to spread your bets to some extent and hope you've done enough, if you get it right financially then you can hopefully build a bit of contingency to go and buy a short term fix in those situations.

You go back to when Jota was sold, he was probably at peak value and there were other options in the squad for his position, at times already taking his place, so he was a viable candidate to sell for funds. The reinvestment wasn't right though, if Fabio had been a third of his price and you could've then spent similar on a young centre half and central midfielder with a view to them coming into the first team in a year or two. Could've made the same case for Traore at that point in time but you can only sell what someone wants to buy.

Then you'd have pitched up last summer with maybe this young centre half maybe ready for more action, would maybe free Coady up for a big money sale after his England involvement. You spread those funds around again, maybe another young central midfield, a young wide player, with a view that this summer it might be Neves' turn to be the cash cow. Maybe you find another young forward too with eyes on Jimenez being next year's man out the door.

The squad size in recent years hasn't aligned with this practice though, you need to carry more players to allow for this succession planning. If you're going to gamble on these lesser lights you need to be able to nurture them and bring them along for when the incumbent has served their time. Wolves haven't had that conveyor belt so now they're getting to a point where a big chunk of the current team are getting stale or past their best and it's expensive to make like for like replacements, there isn't the time to wait for younger players to develop now.

Of your two proposals, selling MGW seems the better option at the moment, if you could get the sort of money being banded around. If it covered the signings of the three you cite then I'd see that as decent business. Player who doesn't really fit the current setup gone for big money, proven performer retained, desperately needed centre half option added, potential successor to Neves/Moutinho on board and a backup to Jimenez/Silva not working out.
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Good post. One of our biggest barriers to giving it a chance to work is Nuno and then Lage not giving the young players enough first team game time to develop. Maybe if Vitinha had got half an hour for Moutinho more often there’d have been more chance for his talent to shine and as a bonus Moutinho wouldn’t have been knackered long before the end of the season. Picking Marcal over RAN made no sense either.
 
Wilf Wolf said:
Good post. One of our biggest barriers to giving it a chance to work is Nuno and then Lage not giving the young players enough first team game time to develop. Maybe if Vitinha had got half an hour for Moutinho more often there’d have been more chance for his talent to shine and as a bonus Moutinho wouldn’t have been knackered long before the end of the season. Picking Marcal over RAN made no sense either.
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Or potentially they weren't good enough / suitable for PL football at that point in time in the case of Vitinha, Gonclaves etc just like it was with Trincao
 
Tony Towner said:
Or potentially they weren't good enough / suitable for PL football in the case of Vitinha, Gonclaves etc just like it was with Trincao
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Never saw Goncalves and agree on Trincao but Vitinha didn’t strike me as unsuited. You could see he was a talent and he was outstanding for Portugal U21s.
 
Kin hell, is there any point in this thread. May as well be the summer discussing why we haven't signed anyone thread.

Not as if they haven't had long to identify some targets, just a season or two.
 
Newbridge Wolf said:
Kin hell, is there any point in this thread. May as well be the summer discussing why we haven't signed anyone thread.

Not as if they haven't had long to identify some targets, just a season or two.
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We seemingly have a very narrow target list.
1) Mendes clients
2) South American players

Outside of that we just don't seem to be aware. Certainly feels like leagues such as the Championship don't exist until the last 5 hours of a transfer window.
 
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