Summer 2021 transfer window

[Elephant Pyjamas]

It's completely baseless.

I'm trying to understand why we made a bid for 29 year old striker who is nowhere near good enough, if you can help with that then please do. Or you can continue to tell me a theory is wrong without giving a reason why it might be.

Spiers was criticised for suggesting we were in for him the other week as it was deemed so ridiculous, but we clearly were making a mad dash for him at the end of the window, Roberts having something to do with that seems possible, and actually surely more likely than Moore being identified as the sort of player we need given his age, lack of resale value and lack of ability??

 

[YoungWolf]

The guy doing our “stats work” is most likely the guy who found Kante tbf…

mcBurnie and Moore stinks of Sellars I have to say

also on Fabio ignoring the fee stuff which I think most agree on, I’m allowed to like him right? I think he’s going to be a genuinely good goalscorer in years to come, regardless of whether he justifies his fee etc

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I'm trying to understand why we made a bid for 29 year old striker who is nowhere near good enough, if you can help with that then please do.

Spiers was criticised for suggesting we were in for him the other week as it was deemed so ridiculous, but we clearly were making a mad dash for him at the end of the window, Roberts having something to do with that seems possible, and actually surely more likely than Moore being identified as the sort of player we need given his age, form and lack of ability??

I have no idea, why would I? I'm not involved in that process at all, just like anyone else on here.

Just assuming Welsh player must be linked through Welsh coach is plucking things out of thin air though, who knows what other staff there are working behind the scenes, what their previous history is in regards to all sorts of different players, the interest genuinely could've come from anywhere. What is there to gain in making any such assumptions?

 

[Dire Wolf]

Is that about us?

It mentions a ‘big club’ and 3 transfers: that can’t be us…

 

[darlowolf64]

It mentions a ‘big club’ and 3 transfers: that can’t be us…

Harsh... but fair

 

[broughtonwolf]

My immediate thought was Arsenal, other than Fabio, who have we overpaid for? But Arsenal overspent on White, Pepe and Ramsdale surely?

Popbitch's blind items are always very carefully worded but generally drop hints - e.g. in this case "bubbling up on the books" - so maybe West Ham based on their famous song, but I can't think who they have overpaid for recently and also do they qualify as a "big club" to the average PB reader? Anyway, watch this space for exec departures I guess.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I have no idea, why would I? I'm not involved in that process at all, just like anyone else on here.

Just assuming Welsh player must be linked through Welsh coach is plucking things out of thin air though, who knows what other staff there are working behind the scenes, what their previous history is in regards to all sorts of different players, the interest genuinely could've come from anywhere. What is there to gain in making any such assumptions?

Then why even bother commenting then? As i said, i want to try and understand why we were targeting a player that doesn't fit in with our long term strategy.

Roberts being recommended by one of our coaching staff is far from a ridiculous theory though is it, Roberts will have worked with Moore during the Euros, so i think it's very likely it was at the very least discussed with him, to what extent who knows. Your certainty that he wasn't involved is surely supposition itself.

 

[Johnny75]

The guy doing our “stats work” is most likely the guy who found Kante tbf…

mcBurnie and Moore stinks of Sellars I have to say

also on Fabio ignoring the fee stuff which I think most agree on, I’m allowed to like him right? I think he’s going to be a genuinely good goalscorer in years to come, regardless of whether he justifies his fee etc

If that is Sellars then he's showing why he should be at a Championship club and has no business being at a PL one. His academy recruitment has been particularly poor imo.

On the flip side of you liking Fabio, I'm allowed to dislike him right? I think he'll leave on loan and be playing for a Portuguese league team in midtable in 2 years and move to Sporting for about £5m. I just don't see he has any physical attributes to make it in the PL, certainly has the mental ones but I don't see his physique allowing him to be a success here.

 

[leon0286]

I'm guessing the criticism about the fee for Silva, is that it restricted the club signing other players, specifically strengthening the first team straight away. Rather than his potential for the future.

I can understand that view, there's little depth in midfield and Moutinho is now 34. The strength at the back isn't great, and Saiss/Boly/Marcal will all be 31-33 come the end of the season.

The inconsistency in recruitment, is where the problem is.
The club was 'proactive' in seeking a long-term Jimenez replacement last summer, in Silva.
But then this window still only focused on forward players, HHC/Trincao + bids for Kieffer Moore....When it was clear there is a desperate need for 'proactive' recruitment in midfield and to a lesser extent at the back.

 

[Del Woppio]

The guy doing our “stats work” is most likely the guy who found Kante tbf…

mcBurnie and Moore stinks of Sellars I have to say

also on Fabio ignoring the fee stuff which I think most agree on, I’m allowed to like him right? I think he’s going to be a genuinely good goalscorer in years to come, regardless of whether he justifies his fee etc

Absolutely this.

I suspect that the kid is actually going to get more stick thank shi this year, which is disgusting.

Yes, the 'generational talent thing was bollocks, and yes, we've over paid by £15-20m considering his profile - but he's an incredibly intelligent player, his movement and how he sees the game is genuinely something that I think is difficult to teach. If his physical development continues as it has during his time with us I'm really confident he'll be a very serviceable premier league striker, particularly in a 2.

 

[YoungWolf]

If that is Sellars then he's showing why he should be at a Championship club and has no business being at a PL one. His academy recruitment has been particularly poor imo.

On the flip side of you liking Fabio, I'm allowed to dislike him right? I think he'll leave on loan and be playing for a Portuguese league team in midtable in 2 years and move to Sporting for about £5m. I just don't see he has any physical attributes to make it in the PL, certainly has the mental ones but I don't see his physique allowing him to be a success here.

His academy recruitment has just relied on ex city players so far. Hoping that we have struck lucky on griffiths but yeah I largely agree with what you’ve said

I think you make valid points about Fabio. I just find it odd the consensus has shifted back to “he is shit” when not long ago most were encouraged by his progress in what were dire circumstances towards the end of last season. I think he’s already shown progress physically (hes clearly too good/strong for any age group fixtures). I think it’s more about frustration at his fee (which i get) rather than actually what he can become

 

[AndyWolves]

It mentions a ‘big club’ and 3 transfers: that can’t be us…

Jota, Doherty and overpaying for Silva?

 

[SSB]

That'll be Tony Roberts doing I would imagine.

Comes across in every video as a loudmouth so wouldn't surprise me if he stuck his oar in.

I've noticed in our games he's often out on the touchline in front of Lage directing open play tactics. Strange move for a goalkeeping coach?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

That's another one isn't it, why did we stagger the Jota deal? If we need to sell to buy, why take a larger staggered fee rather than an upfront smaller fee.

 

[Johnny75]

I've noticed in our games he's often out on the touchline in front in Lage directing open play tactics. Strange move for a goalkeeping coach?

Very

 

[Jinky]

Just one thought about Silva, bash the transfer fee by all means but not the player.

Haven't really seen anyone bashing Fabio. Most if not all have said it's unfortunate for him, but the actual transfer and fee itself are what people are taking issue with, because it's directly resulted in our failure in this last window.

 

[AndyWolves]

I'm guessing the criticism about the fee for Silva, is that it restricted the club signing other players, specifically strengthening the first team straight away. Rather than his potential for the future.

I can understand that view, there's little depth in midfield and Moutinho is now 34. The strength at the back isn't great, and Saiss/Boly/Marcal will all be 31-33 come the end of the season.

The inconsistency in recruitment, is where the problem is.
The club was 'proactive' in seeking a long-term Jimenez replacement last summer, in Silva.
But then this window still only focused on forward players, HHC/Trincao + bids for Kieffer Moore....When it was clear there is a desperate need for 'proactive' recruitment in midfield and to a lesser extent at the back.

That's a really interesting final paragraph, when looking at our u23 sides we have far more promising defenders than we do forward players.

I wonder if they're counting on some of the u23s moving into the first team.

 

[Lycan]

I suspect that the kid is actually going to get more stick thank shi this year, which is disgusting.

Not sure what you're basing this on. Fábio is approaching Cutrone levels of undeserved adulation from match going fans so far since we've returned. Don Fábio, constantly having his name sung regardless of performance, etc.

 

[Dire Wolf]

That's a really interesting final paragraph, when looking at our u23 sides we have far more promising defenders than we do forward players.

I wonder if they're counting on some of the u23s moving into the first team.

I think the most promising have gone out on loan: Marques and Lonwijk.

 

[Tredman]

Is that about us?

Don’t know! It’s from popbitch and seemed familiar. They specialise in hearsay and rumours, but there’s usually something behind it.