Summer 2021 transfer window

[MobNet Wolf]

It would make no sense to turn down a loan deal on the basis of disagreeing over the option price at the end of the loan.

The option value could be £1bn... it doesn't matter - you're not obliged to exercise it. I'd assume there is some element of obligation that isn't being reported.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Using my name is always good for a few cheap laughs

Regardless of his IQ, if we fail to bring in a couple of decent players in the next 7.5 hours, he has a point about Shi being completely useless. Especially if Lille are genuinely asking for £30m for Sanches and our Jeff is doing his best Levy impression.

On lack of activity: yes, it would be absolutely shite and stupidly complacent

In more general terms: it's more of a club failing than pinning it solely on one individual (as an overarching theme, Fosun have actively chosen to have us operate with a very low/neutral/negative net spend of late, that's not Jeff Shi's call). Calling out Jeff exclusively is no different really to the headbangers who used to blame Moxey when it rained or the pies were cold. Although equally, that didn't mean that Jeff Moxey/Jez Shi were actually suitable for the role that the owners handed them.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It’s true though. Renato Sanches at 17 was tearing up international tournaments whereas Fabio had scored 1 goal in professional football.

Sanches then goes on to prove how difficult it is to project the trajectory on young players and that’s even starting from a much higher bar.

The injury record knocks the price down but even then €10m less for a proven top level player is far less of a risk than with Fabio. Plus we don’t have to wait 4 years to find out.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's not "true" though is it.

If we don't sign Renato Sanches then fuck all will happen at home to Brentford. It'll be the same as every other game. It's some loon going on a rage after a couple of Fantas too many.

 

[AndyWolves]

How much are Lille asking for? Does anyone know?

 

[PuntsWolf]

It would make no sense to turn down a loan deal on the basis of disagreeing over the option price at the end of the loan.

The option value could be £1bn... it doesn't matter - you're not obliged to exercise it. I'd assume there is some element of obligation that isn't being reported.

The issue is if he tears it up he then joins Liverpool for £50m and we’re back to square one.

If he ends up being as good as we’d expect then there’s no way he would come at the end of the year and if he carries on having a dubious injury record then the €30m looks steep. So I imagine we want an option, they want some form of obligation. As YW said before the best compromise may be some form of appearance based deal, but unless Lille are desperate, it appears they aren’t, then they hold the aces.

 

[Jinky]

It's not "true" though is it.

If we don't sign Renato Sanches then fuck all will happen at home to Brentford. It'll be the same as every other game. It's some loon going on a rage after a couple of Fantas too many.

Oh yeah, that much is true. But we've all seen the Molineux atmosphere change at the drop of a hat when things aren't going well. It's a credit to Bruno Lage that, due to his performance in the role so far, most of us are still optimistic despite three defeats - that is unusual. It won't take many more defeats for the crowd to start to turn. And from the general vibe I have seen across Social network so far, most people would be pointing the finger of blame at Jeff Shi and Fosun, rather than the manager.

They've woefully under-performed in the recruitment sector for a few years now. That can only last so long before your customers start letting you know. Especially when you consider a load of the other stuff (that you yourself have gone to town on the club about) over the last month or so. Shi is the man in charge and the face of Fosun at Wolves, so rightly or wrongly, he'll take a lot of the blame if things go nasty.

Sign Sanches and a CB - y'know, do your job - and the problem goes away.

 

[PuntsWolf]

It's not "true" though is it.

If we don't sign Renato Sanches then fuck all will happen at home to Brentford. It'll be the same as every other game. It's some loon going on a rage after a couple of Fantas too many.

Ignore that brentford bit. More yes to Fabio, no to Sanches as Ive expanded on in next post.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I dunno, it's all a bit false equivalence for me (without getting into another discussion on Fabio, I think we all know he's nothing like a £35m player now, he certainly wasn't a year ago).

You could ask why Man Utd are spending £13m or so on a fee for Ronaldo and a further £480k a week when they obviously need a midfielder and Neves would cost less than that over the course of a contract, with actual resale value too.

Making one questionable transfer doesn't mean you just pay whatever for anyone else in the future, it's a crazy argument.

Also if we'd been offered Renato Sanches for free a year or two ago then most people would have said no based on how truly rancid he was for Swansea.

 

[The Bear]

While Sanches sounds exciting I'm not sure about him in our team. He can play CM or RM. If he takes over Moutinho's spot then Neves is going to be forced to take a back seat and get up the pitch less or we'd have zero bodies in midfield if we give the ball away. We can't afford lay him at RM as we already have enough people in wide areas.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The issue is if he tears it up he then joins Liverpool for £50m and we’re back to square one.

If he ends up being as good as we’d expect then there’s no way he would come at the end of the year and if he carries on having a dubious injury record then the €30m looks steep. So I imagine we want an option, they want some form of obligation. As YW said before the best compromise may be some form of appearance based deal, but unless Lille are desperate, it appears they aren’t, then they hold the aces.

Lille are massively up against financial issues, as is everyone in France not called PSG. So I make your call of obligation rather than option absolutely correct.

The entire transfer fee in accounting terms hits their books on day one of the loan as the condition for later payment has been met. An option doesn’t help them in that way.

 

[Nando]

Nuno Mendes might be on his way to City which should all but guarantee the 10m for Vinagre being added to the coffers.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

While Sanches sounds exciting I'm not sure about him in our team. He can play CM or RM. If he takes over Moutinho's spot then Neves is going to be forced to take a back seat and get up the pitch less or we'd have zero bodies in midfield if we give the ball away. We can't afford lay him at RM as we already have enough people in wide areas.

Moutinho has been playing further up the pitch than Neves so far this season anyway, swapping Moutinho for Sanches would have zero impact on that balance.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Lille are massively up against financial issues, as is everyone in France not called PSG. So I make your call of obligation rather than option absolutely correct.

The entire transfer fee in accounting terms hits their books on day one of the loan as the condition for later payment has been met. An option doesn’t help them in that way.

Are you allowed to have a loan with an absolute obligation to buy?

Isn't that the arrangement Wolves tried to pull when Dendoncker signed, presumably to offset some financial outlay into the following year, but ended up having to clarify part way through the season that he wasn't on loan but had actually been signed permanently when someone wouldn't allow the initial approach to stand?

 

[BGreenWolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1432718528172462083

Brainless.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Are you allowed to have a loan with an absolute obligation to buy?

Isn't that the arrangement Wolves tried to pull when Dendoncker signed, presumably to offset some financial outlay into the following year, but ended up having to clarify part way through the season that he wasn't on loan but had actually been signed permanently when someone wouldn't allow the initial approach to stand?

They may have changed the rules since but sure I read earlier that Milan are obliged to buy Bakayoko when his loan ends.

 

[Dire Wolf]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1432718528172462083

Brainless.

So we are deliberately and wilfully making our squad smaller and options available to the manager weaker? Ain’t that grand…

 

[leon0286]

Are you allowed to have a loan with an absolute obligation to buy?

Isn't that the arrangement Wolves tried to pull when Dendoncker signed, presumably to offset some financial outlay into the following year, but ended up having to clarify part way through the season that he wasn't on loan but had actually been signed permanently when someone wouldn't allow the initial approach to stand?

Yes.

It's actually a way for clubs to get around FFP....It's used a lot more often it Italy.

Signed someone today on loan for 1/2 years, then put the transfer fee on the accounts in 12/24 months time.

 

[Nando]

Juve have signed Locatelli on a two year loan with a 35m obligation. Quite astonishing how they managed that, but that's Juve for you.

 

[Throbber3]

I don’t know what’s worse. Watching us achieve zero on deadline day or listening to the Ronaldo love in all day on sky .