Scottish Independence watch

[FrankMunro-371]

Early exit polls are suggesting a victory for the "no" campaign.

 

[Tredman]

Early exit polls are suggesting a victory for the "no" campaign.

There are no exit polls though

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/scottish-vote-no-exit-poll-democratic-deficit

 

[FrankMunro-371]

There are, though they may not be official.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

BBC charter guidelines mean they wouldn't report on exit polls until voting had closed. It has now, so I guess we will hear soon.

 

[Tredman]

The linked article actually says no one paid for proper exit polls/so anything you hear will just be a random sample from one or two places, not full exit poll as at general elections

 

[vicarious wolf]

Oddschecker is giving odds of around 7-1 to anyone wishing to bet on Yes, before a result has been declared.

That'll be a No, then.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/scottish-independence/referendum-outcome

 

[jd1981]

Rumour going round on five live that yes has won in Glasgow.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Early "surveys" whatever the fuck that means suggest 54% no, 46% yes.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

John Redwood is a fucking helmet of truly epic proportions.

 

[vicarious wolf]

Are early surveys saying that too? They're even more accurate than I thought.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Early surveys on voting.

Conclusive proof on the Redwood belmerdom.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

OOOOOFFFF

First declaration in Clackmananshire. 8% win for no.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Struggling to sleep tonight so still following it. Some UKIP gimp embarrassing himself with some real racist drivel about 'a haggis in every oven', encouraging immigration 'from the colonies' (WTF?! Is this 1951?) and a smattering of outright lies about both Yes and No campaigns. Why grant these people the oxygen of publicity? An absolute stain on UK politics.

 

[Alan]

So what are the real consequences of a yes result?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It won't be Yes. No is winning comfortably.

 

[Alan]

Alright, well, what exactly stays the same? Why did this become an issue to begin with? My MacKinnon family left the Isles ages ago so we don't really have a stake and haven't kept up with it.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The SNP have pushed for independence on and off for absolutely years. There was a referendum back in the late 70s which was also a No result.

Had it been a Yes, Scotland would have become a wholly independent nation and it would have caused all manner of unanswered questions on currency, oil revenues, welfare etc to have to be answered.

That isn't going to happen, Scotland already has a regional Parliament and it will get further devolved powers. So should all the other regions in the UK really which is A Good Thing (we need assemblies set up really around England; London, Wales and Northern Ireland already have them). We need greater decentralisation from London which has very little economically and socially in common with much of the rest of the nation.

I am a rampant federalist so clearly I am biased but Westminster works for the few and not the many as it stands.

 

[Alan]

Strange to hear federalization brought up in regards to such a small country. No offense.

 

[leedswolf]

BBC now forecast a 'No' victory.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

None taken. The differences between region - and even within a region - are pretty stark though. Just work your way from West to East across the North of England - Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Hull, Newcastle. You'll find great social, socioeconomic and cultural differences all the way across. We're a funny old nation. We should embrace that, we aren't a homogenised population - but the political system needs to reflect that too.

Remember our population density is very different to most Western nations. Everything's magnified within a smaller space here.