Rio 2016

[Langers]

This is awesome. We're a bit good at the cycling aren't we?

 

[Tony Towner]

Bob is saying what many of the other cycling nations and competitors are. Personally I think it's jealousy and although he his wumming his 'view' is being widely discussed/believed elsewhere

 

[Carrotdude]

Thing is we completely focus on the olympics as that's where we get the money from uk sport and it's the most important. Everything is in place to peak at the olympics every 4 years and we've done it brilliantly once again

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Why was the French pole vaulter booed at the medals ceremony. Not very sporting behaviour at all.

 

[Tredman]

Why was the French pole vaulter booed at the medals ceremony. Not very sporting behaviour at all.

He complained about the crowd during the final the other day (a Brazillian was going for and won the gold, so they were quite excited...)

 

[FrankMunro-371]

He complained about the crowd during the final the other day (a Brazillian was going for and won the gold, so they were quite excited...)

Thank you. I can understand the crowd cheering on their countryman during the competition, but jeering at the medals ceremony is not very fair.

 

[Langers]

Thank you. I can understand the crowd cheering on their countryman during the competition, but jeering at the medals ceremony is not very fair.

There was an article on (I think) the BBC which explained why the Brazilian crowd boo. It's not always a sinister reason, and on occasions they cheer that individual once the competition is over. But I agree with you, it's not on at the medals ceremony. Unless they're Russian, obvs.

I thought the Brazilian fans shouting "Zika" at Hope Solo was quite funny though :icon_lol:

 

[LondonBob]

We aren't particularly good at cycling, as you expect there are many good riders across the nations, that is the point.

When a team turns up and wins all the golds whilst smashing records, completely contrary to their past record, then you know there can only be one reason. Simon Yates, Lizzie Armistead have had their issues recently. Some might call it state sponsored doping.

http://sportsscientists.com/2016/08/world-records-fossils/

Lets not forget Mo “My house is so big, I didn’t hear the doorbell when a drug tester came calling” Farah. The Serena Williams excuse.

https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage/status/764118623115968512

 

[Tredman]

Get it all out Bob, you'll feel much better.

 

[Tony Towner]

So Bob, Adam Peaty has taken a second off the 100m bs record in the last year. Of the top 20 hundred metres sprint records of all time only Bolt's haven't been discredited due to doping. Is Peaty doping? is Bolt? If I'm being naive then quite frankly I'd rather be naive and enjoy what I'm seeing than cynical and looking for conspiracy theories

 

[BillyDee]

"Completely contrary to their past record"? So we were shit at cycling prior to these games were we? OK Bob, crack on...
:facepalm:

 

[Donegal Wolf]

So Bob, Adam Peaty has taken a second off the 100m bs record in the last year. Of the top 20 hundred metres sprint records of all time only Bolt's haven't been discredited due to doping. Is Peaty doping? is Bolt? If I'm being naive then quite frankly I'd rather be naive and enjoy what I'm seeing than cynical and looking for conspiracy theories

Thats a far easier attitude to have when you are smashing them out the park (fair play UK sport are doing a lot right), from the other side of the fence it doesnt look anywhere near as nice.

Personally will be glad when the whole sham is over, I dealt with a few low ranking IOC officials in 2012 when working on the Olympic Park and can honestly say they were some on the nastiest individuals I have come across.

Dont know about the GB Cycling team, yes they spend a massive amount of money on their team (£36m in 2012) and they have great talents in Trott, Kenny etc but it is logic defying that they dominate a sport so much, its not if the opposition dont see what they do and use similar equipment etc, also its not due to peaking every 4 years as someone said, they dominate year in year out. at the Worlds.

As for Bolt, he manages to beat the best sprinters in the world who are pumped up to the eyeballs whilst on a diet of chicken nuggets, sounds like a disney film and conviently ignores the fact that Jamaica were in WADA'S naughty corner with Russia and Kenya for their lax attitude to testing, (more drug tests carried out in Ireland a minnow, then Jamaica an athletic powerhouse) and all his Jamaican contempories have failed tests. Virtually every gold medal in athletics will have a question mark against it, its getting to the stage internationally that it is as real as WWE, but what do you expect when the Head of IAAF doesnt bother to open his emails from WADA. International athletics is Bolt without him it is fucked.
Add Weightlifting, Rowing, Swimming to that all dodgy as fuck.

And dont even get me started on the Boxing!

Do enjoy the beach volleyball though, and I am thinking of applying for a job as a lifeguard in the olympic swimming pool at the next one, has to be the easiest job in the world.

 

[Tredman]

Thats a far easier attitude to have when you are smashing them out the park (fair play UK sport are doing a lot right), from the other side of the fence it doesnt look anywhere near as nice.

Personally will be glad when the whole sham is over, I dealt with a few low ranking IOC officials in 2012 when working on the Olympic Park and can honestly say they were some on the nastiest individuals I have come across.

Dont know about the GB Cycling team, yes they spend a massive amount of money on their team (£36m in 2012) and they have great talents in Trott, Kenny etc but it is logic defying that they dominate a sport so much, its not if the opposition dont see what they do and use similar equipment etc, also its not due to peaking every 4 years as someone said, they dominate year in year out. at the Worlds.

As for Bolt, he manages to beat the best sprinters in the world who are pumped up to the eyeballs whilst on a diet of chicken nuggets, sounds like a disney film and conviently ignores the fact that Jamaica were in WADA'S naughty corner with Russia and Kenya for their lax attitude to testing, (more drug tests carried out in Ireland a minnow, then Jamaica an athletic powerhouse) and all his Jamaican contempories have failed tests. Virtually every gold medal in athletics will have a question mark against it, its getting to the stage internationally that it is as real as WWE, but what do you expect when the Head of IAAF doesnt bother to open his emails from WADA.
Add Weightlifting, Rowing, Swimming to that all dodgy as fuck.

And dont even get me started on the Boxing!

Do enjoy the beach volleyball though, and I am thinking of applying for a job as a lifeguard in the olympic swimming pooGl at the next one, has to be the easiest job in the world.
Dont even get me started on the boxing!

GB have been relatively very poor in cycling worlds post London 2012

 

[Tony Towner]

GB have been relatively very poor in cycling worlds post London 2012

Which contrary to Donegal's point is the problem other nations have with it. Relative averageness to dominance every 4 years. As someone said earlier I put this down to investment being 100% linked to Olympic performance rather than some 12 month drugs programme. I want to and am happy to believe that.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

taken from wiki (I know) - uci world track championships

2012 -2nd in medal table 6 golds
2013 - top with 5 golds
2014 - 4th 2golds
2015 - 10th
2016 - 1st 5 golds

Apart from 2015 you cant say that is poor

 

[Johnny75]

But neither can you say it's dominant and it does look like they peak during Olympic years.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

But neither can you say it's dominant and it does look like they peak during Olympic years.

Still won the most golds in that cycle, you could say they peak in Olympic years but against that, 2015 was a meltdown when Shane Sutton (by the sound of it an unpleasant individual) was in charge and things went to fuck. If I take what people say about peaking in Olympic years it is an amazing achievement with different coaching staff, different riders and different equipment and technological advancements, with those variable they repeat it time after time.

As I said I dunno about them, there is a huge amount of money spent on them, and there is some great talent, maybe they have found the magic formula, the old cynic in me says when things are too good to be true they generally aren't.

Anyway our games somehow just got worse, the head of Olympic Committee of Ireland just got arrested by Brazilian police for being party to flogging tickets!

 

[PuntsWolf]

It's easier to dominate in individual sports. And even the team sprint and pursuit are still relatively individual in that you are not physically up against some one.

Federer and Nadal have dominated tennis. Are they doping? Phelps swimming, GB cycling.

We're the best with good coaching and technology. Jamaicans are always up their in athletics with a tiny population. We have a big poplation and big funding.

 

[Johnny75]

I think looking for drugs where there are none is harsh on the athletes though, it isn't as if they just rock up and win without any prior history, these are clearly talented athletes with a special training regime. I've no doubt others will look at the drugs angle and that just looks bitter until proof is found.

As for the poster linking Armistead and Simon Yates, not only are they different disciplines in cycling and would require a very different set of drugs the circumstance of Yates ban was proved not to be his fault and the drug in question linked to a medical condition and his team took responsibility for not putting in the correct paperwork. Not to make excuses for him but it was hardly conclusive proof of cheating.

It is a shame that we all jump to the drugs and hence guilty of cheating conclusion without any proof at all.

 

[Sniffer]

As for Armitstead, on her first missed test, she was in the hotel she was supposed to be in when the drug testers arrived. You could blame either party for them not meeting up however she did have an 'in competition' drugs test the following day and tested clean.