REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Tony Towner]

Sorry, I meant a confidence vote rather than a members leadership election.

But yeah tbf I know loads of people that make the unsubstantiable claim that she's doing a good job. Bojo would probably win a members' vote though, he's incomprehensibly popular with the public

Luckily the PCP hate him so he'd not make a Top 2 unless there were only 2 candidates. I do agree though that if either he or JRM made it to the membership they'd get the gig, I think neither will though.

 

[Siggy]

More concessions required according to France and a few others....

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...itains-draft-exit-deal-idUKKCN1NK21E?rpc=401&

 

[Langers]

 

[Tredman]

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...logises-for-brexit/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[SLA]

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...logises-for-brexit/?__twitter_impression=true

Huh, Cyber sounds more southern than I imagined.

 

[Siggy]

Dear god I had to turn that off my ears are bleeding.

 

[Tredman]

Nick Robinson on twitter:

What PM could say (in order of likelihood)
A. I fight on. My deal is in national interest
B. Parliament must decide but I’ll give MPs a free vote (& hope that saves my deal)
C. Michael Gove, my new Brexit Sec, will re-negotiate my deal as it can’t command a majority
D. I quit https://t.co/H4Ti1QAgTX

 

[Tredman]

It's been at least a week, but it's appropriate once again.

Let's hope the dishface cunt ends up in prison with banks, farage and Johnson.

 

[Parkins left foot]

You have been proved right. I never wanted to leave the EU. I wanted us to be in step with the EU which we clearly were not and it was getting worse. I felt it was only a matter of time before it all fell apart. My answer risks being repetitive so its probably best to summarise in two lines.

Did I agree with the EEC and its principles? Largely yes
Did I agree with the EU and its principles- often no

So to keep me happy we need to go back to an ethos more akin to the EEC than the driection taken by the EU.

I have never denied voting out & Cyber's post clearly elucidates my reason for doing so - we could have had all of this avoided.

What we have now is a shitfest of incompetence from the UK side & intransigence from the EU to produce a deal that no one can/will accept.

May is gone really - don't like her, but not sure that the alternatives aren't even worse (whether that be a new Tory leader or a change of Government after a GE)

Anyone who thinks that a second referendum will solve anything is deluding themselves - positions will become more entrenched & it will produce an even more divisive country than after the first.

Geography dictates that we are close to Europe physically & short of towing us out into the Atlantic that isn't likely to change (though climate change may flood bits so that we are a few more miles apart - not that will change the situation sufficiently) - there has to be benefit for all to get a sensible solution to get the most for both parties, though really not sure that either party are trying to achieve that. In any negotiation both parties need to come away with an agreement that both gain as far as possible not just to get a win which makes your opposite number lose - that never really works work in a sustainable way.

Could well come to a Bojo wall in the channel to go alongside his island airport, though unless he was going to put it all the way round will still have edges to get round, plus wouldn't deal with the bit of the UK on the island of Ireland

 

[Tony Towner]

On your first paragraph Parkin, how? I really believe May has got the best deal out there. The issue isn't what's on the table, it's what was promised wasn't ever attainable.

 

[SLA]

some poll data from Sky says of the three options May listed - no Brexit, no deal, her deal - no Brexit is the most popular.

However:

Third @skydata q: Who would you most trust to lead the country through Brexit?
Theresa May 31%
Jeremy Corbyn 25%
Jacob Rees-Mogg 18%
Boris Johnson 17%
Dominic Raab 10%

People are weird.

 

[Tony Towner]

some poll data from Sky says of the three options May listed - no Brexit, no deal, her deal - no Brexit is the most popular.

However:

Third @skydata q: Who would you most trust to lead the country through Brexit?
Theresa May 31%
Jeremy Corbyn 25%
Jacob Rees-Mogg 18%
Boris Johnson 17%
Dominic Raab 10%

People are weird.

Says more about Corbyn than anything else

 

[Parkins left foot]

On your first paragraph Parkin, how? I really believe May has got the best deal out there. The issue isn't what's on the table, it's what was promised wasn't ever attainable.

What was promised/warned about wasn't ever happening & none of it affected my vote.

From what I have managed to read/hear today the big problem with the current deal is that it could become 'open ended' locking us into a permanent transition status having to abide by their rules whilst not being party to the decisions

 

[SLA]

Says more about Corbyn than anything else

True. Though his policy of just doing nothing and hoping the Tories implode seems to be working. Hardly showing great leadership though, is it?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

What was promised/warned about wasn't ever happening & none of it affected my vote.

From what I have managed to read/hear today the big problem with the current deal is that it could become 'open ended' locking us into a permanent transition status having to abide by their rules whilst not being party to the decisions

And that can't actually change without destroying the Good Friday agreement.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Huh, Cyber sounds more southern than I imagined.

That made me chuckle

 

[Keef]

Come on now, she has zero popularity amongst the general public. Not only is she a nasty piece of work, but she's incompetent and weird.

I know she's not popular in dolgelleau,there's a little hiking/outdoor shop in the square,and whenever she's on holiday in the area,and visits that shop,the whole square and the access roads to it are closed off,buses diverted and everything,a mates wife was in the changing room once trying on trousers,tried to get out and was told to stay where she was by armed policemen,just because May and her husband were in there getting Kendall mint cake or something.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

True. Though his policy of just doing nothing and hoping the Tories implode seems to be working. Hardly showing great leadership though, is it?

Going to work out wonderfully if we end up with a no deal Brexit before they implode though.

Corbyn has been pathetic through the whole thing, he wants Brexit but he hasn't got the balls to admit it openly so he's trying to let someone else carry the can for it and hope he can coast in to no. 10 when it goes tits up for them. It's like he's second mate on a ship and letting the captain run it aground so he can take the wheel when they all abandon ship.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Regret my 'yes' vote in 1975 (& the voting population were lied to as much then as we were this time)

Had we been told what was in the minds of those at the centre then the result may very well have been No from the UK. If we had not joined then would we at some point have agreed a trading deal with the EEC - almost certainly yes (others have - with no doubt some compromise of what we would have wanted as an ideal) as it would have made sense for both parties. No reason why we could not have agreed sensible arrangements for reasonably free movement of people as clearly there is a need for that (population demography & differences in % growth rates) whilst still having control to a greater degree.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Saying nothing in her press conference. Just warbling on in her ridiculous voice and she still, after all these years, doesn't understand the ECJ. It's like trying to explain Financial Fair Play to Dean Saunders.

She won't quit, she wants power above all else, bugger it if she has zero ability to do the job.

Also still pretending that she knows what everyone in the country wants.