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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

The John Lewis March 2019 brexit advert is pretty much bang on,it's on YouTube,but me being a tech Luddite can't link it
 
Q: How many Brexiteers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One to promise a brighter future and the rest to screw it up...
 
As I see it:

T-Bag deal - dead. Holed below the waterline more effectively than the Bismarck
No Deal - clearly stated as an economic catastrophe. And no amount of gesturing by JRM and his little cabal is going to get around that
Further negotiations - EU and especially Merkel have made it abundantly clear that the T-Bag deal is the ONLY deal and there will be no further negotiation

Sort of leaves you at finding a way to either a second referendum or abandoning the whole thing.
 
I said a few months ago we'd leave with no deal, not by design, but default. Neither of the two main parties are interested in cancelling - too much 'will of the people' rhetoric and I don't see a deal out there that will get through Parliament. Best realistic case as I see it is an extension to the negotiation timeframe, post May being binned.
 
Nick Ferrari asks May about her enthusiasms for Geoffrey Boycott. Does May know what happened on his last first class innings?

May does not know (or says she doesn’t).

Ferrari says she was run out by someone on her team. That player was Jim Love, a Yorkshireman. Is Michael Gove her Jim Love?
 
Ever since the referendum result I've never believed we'd leave and I'm still hopeful. I voted remain not because I disagreed entirely with the leavers' arguments (I think we've conceded far too much sovereignty to the EU regulations) but because to leave is akin to throwing all the toys out of the pram when we're only fed up with a couple of them. IMO we should have stayed in and tried to effect change from within. There are plenty of other disgruntled member states; we might have garnered some unexpected support. At worst, and if we could have found someone with balls to do it (dare I mention the T-word?), we could have employed the nuclear option: 'This is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you can fuck off or chuck us out' (which would never have happened). I'd still sooner remain; at least the country might then have a future. I could even live to see it – yes, we'd have about as much influence as Germany had after either world war, but how long did it take before they were bossing Europe around again?
 
We'd already got ourselves a pretty good deal from the EU though (or at least, we'd got ourselves loads of special treatment, not that I'd particularly say that all of the opt outs were good) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-outs_in_the_European_Union

Plus we were involved in the creation of all EU regulations/laws or whatever and our parliament then ratified them.

I just don't see the sovereignty argument.
 
Tom Hark said:
Ever since the referendum result I've never believed we'd leave and I'm still hopeful. I voted remain not because I disagreed entirely with the leavers' arguments (I think we've conceded far too much sovereignty to the EU regulations) but because to leave is akin to throwing all the toys out of the pram when we're only fed up with a couple of them. IMO we should have stayed in and tried to effect change from within. There are plenty of other disgruntled member states; we might have garnered some unexpected support. At worst, and if we could have found someone with balls to do it (dare I mention the T-word?), we could have employed the nuclear option: 'This is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you can $#@! off or chuck us out' (which would never have happened). I'd still sooner remain; at least the country might then have a future. I could even live to see it – yes, we'd have about as much influence as Germany had after either world war, but how long did it take before they were bossing Europe around again?
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Yep. See Camerons negotiating efforts 2016 and the EU response. There are lots of factors that created the perfect shitstorm. This however is the difference between remain winning and losing. That to me was the single, biggest slap in the face from the EU.

Camerons threats also didnt help. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/25/eu-exit-vote-no-means-no-says-pm

And ruled out a second referendum before the result of the first https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...u-referendum-if-result-is-close-idUKKCN0Y81VK

And finally what he asked for to what he got https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...d-cameron-asked-for-and-what-he-actually-got/

It really is easy to forget how many chances there were to stop this before it went to the vote. It is only on reflection I can see how bullied people were who dared to even think about voting leave.The fact that 52% said sod off is the culmination of a long period of poor politics from the UK and the EU.
 
Personally I think Theresa May will stay and get the deal through parliament with a few minor tweaks. This will be followed by a split in the Labour party and the end of Corbyn as leader of Labour as we know it.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
See Camerons negotiating efforts 2016 and the EU response.
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You keep mentioning this but I'm not really sure what the EU did wrong here. We already had a good deal from the EU, what were you expecting them to give us?

Cyber-_-man said:
It is only on reflection I can see how bullied people were who dared to even think about voting leave.
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Some more LOLZ here.
 
what were you expecting them to give us?
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what Cameron promised in 2013. Merkel not to bottle out re Junker. And for the EU to take the leave vote seriously. I didnt think leave would win but I wanted the message to be heard. Leavers were grossly underestimated across the board. Never in political history has a mood been so misread , well not in my lifetime.

Still , none of this matters a jot now. We came , we voted , we won.Now we have to get on with the consequences. And I am still completely in the dark as regards what the fuck that means
 
So basically you wanted the UK to be able to stamp its little feet and have the EU tremble and make all sorts of new concessions on top of the many they'd already given us. In that case they called our bluff knowing full well that if we did vote to leave the suffering would fall almost entirely on us. And thus did it come to pass.
 
SLA said:
So basically you wanted the UK to be able to stamp its little feet and have the EU tremble and make all sorts of new concessions on top of the many they'd already given us. In that case they called our bluff knowing full well that if we did vote to leave the suffering would fall almost entirely on us. And thus did it come to pass.
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You are missing the point. We are GREAT Britain.
 
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