REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Trips]

In the repeal bill, the government are going to be able to make changes to laws without scrutiny or debate in the commons - basically just change any law they feel like

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Because it's literally written into the Bill that there needn't be any.

Of course they say now that it won't be used for substantive matters but then you're in the lap of indiscriminately trusting a Government who just tried to break one of their own manifesto pledges, so forgive me for not taking them at their word. I don't trust them to decide objectively what is substantive and what isn't. Remember Gideon tried to introduce his tax credit cuts through secondary legislation before the Lords shot him down.

Also the Commons just voted that they don't want a final say on the end result, so whatever the Government decide goes.

It is a democratic deficit, an absolutely shocking one. If I'd described it five years ago not a soul would have believed me.

 

[Trips]

Because it's literally written into the Bill that there needn't be any.

Of course they say now that it won't be used for substantive matters but then you're in the lap of indiscriminately trusting a Government who just tried to break one of their own manifesto pledges, so forgive me for not taking them at their word.

Also the Commons just voted that they don't want a final say on the end result, so whatever the Government decide goes.

It is a democratic deficit, an absolutely shocking one. If I'd described it five years ago not a soul would have believed me.

Taking back control and democracy though innit

 

[leedswolf]

The whim of the people.

 

[lemonjelly]

Just out of interest is there more than just Michael Howard, the ex mp or is all this drama over one old retired guys views?

He's a conservative peer in the lords, as well as being a former leader of the party. Hardly the view of "a retired guy".

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hardly the view of the party either to be quite bloody honest.

 

[leedswolf]

Hardly the view of the party either to be quite bloody honest.

Agreed, but who he is and who he was does add gravitas to his views.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

It is a very dim thing for the draft document to contain. Absolutely daft. And I suspect it was deliberate to try and get just the sort of reaction that Howard delivered. No reason for our actual negotiators to react in that way.

Simply be more diplomatic but say that sovereignty for Gibraltar is off the table unless the people of Gibraltar ask for it in a democratic referendum. IE - exactly what Theresa May has said, to be fair to her (for a change by me!!)

The document was just a statement of fact that Spain will be looking for concessions over Gibraltar throughout the negotiations. Bit weird of them to show their cards like that and the UK should have politely replied with its point of view whilst making a vague reference to Catalan independence. Instead of that, they (some of them) went off on one and haven't been particularly statesman like.

 

[Tony Towner]

The Sun's efforts on International diplomacy. I particularly like that on the same front page they are offering cheap holidays to Spain, be it a touch ironically.

I hope the Brexiteers are correct and the EU are desperate to give us a good deal, because if they aren't then the way our press, Government and Tory politicians have acted over the last week or so has been a Grade 1 effort in antagonism

 

[leedswolf]

The Sun fighting for the rights of Remainers.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Remaining British is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to remaining in the European Union, ya nor...

 

[So Long Architect]

Did "office worker Richard Peliza" (not a very British name) *really* say "The UK should not bend"??

Is that the sort of thing a normal office worker would say?

 

[Premier Quality]

Do you think the eu negotiators subscribe to the sun then?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Do you think they are unaware of the headline?

 

[machin05]

One of the worst elements of the whole EU Ref has been the widening divisions in society and the legitimisation and rise of hate-fueled feelings and acts (some violent). This kind of shit just adds further fuel to a fire that was once, and quite rightly, doused by a conscientious and socially demeaned snuff.

 

[leedswolf]

I wonder what the Sun's reaction will be when they discover that Europe's most southern mosque is in Gib. The mosque is also one of the largest ever built in a non-muslim country.

 

[machin05]

Is this seriously what Brexiteers have been fighting for???

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

A "humiliation" we chose to endure, as you can make the passports whatever colour you want as it is.

Here's a Croatian passport:

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Who gives a fuck what colour it is anyway? It's hardly a fashion accessory!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I remember Jack Dee doing this bit in the late 90s. And now these people actually direct the agenda :icon_lol: