REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[visage]

Ok but will you also force the people who called me a Racist to also withdraw those comments ?

Feel free to ask them to.

 

[ProgWolf]

Feel free to ask them to.

As a Mod you want me to withdraw a comment. Why can you not also advise the people that called me a Racist to withdraw their comments otherwise you will also 'curtail their access' ?

 

[leedswolf]

To be fair, you can get a nice tan in Cornwall.

How about Bolton?

 

[visage]

As a Mod you want me to withdraw a comment. Why can you not also advise the people that called me a Racist to withdraw their comments otherwise you will also 'curtail their access' ?

Because theres plenty in your posts to suggest that you are a racist. Whereas you've accused Leedswolf of:

As you have assumed a lot, then I will assume that you and some on here are part of 'Momentum' and/or part of the group of people who have intimidated certain MP's, smashed their windows, sent them vile threats via social media and made abusive phone calls.

I will also assume you are Anti-Semitic.

 

[So Long Architect]

How about Bolton?

Just takes longer.

 

[Trips]

People know Fuck all about me and my life but can just dismiss me as a Racist, but that's ok ?

1 - I don't speak for other people, if they have said that take the issue up with them.

2 - I haven't said you're a racist. I've said in the past some of your comments on here came across as racist, you said you aren't racist. Done as far as I'm concerned, not going to dispute it.

I've answered you're question, now answer mine. Why do you think it's ok for you to judge people (like myself) that you don't know, and don't know anything about their circumstances, their past etc?.....and question what they (and I) know about socialising, integrating and living with people from other backgrounds and cultures. Just because people live in "leafy suburbia" does not mean they know fuck all about things. You just make sweeping generalisations about groups of people based on where they live, or where they are from. Why?

 

[ProgWolf]

Because theres plenty in your posts to suggest that you are a racist. Whereas you've accused Leedswolf of:

That's just your opinion with no fact based evidence. So, with that in mind, after your comments on Martin McGuinness, I am of the opinion that you are a Terrorist Sympathiser.

 

[ProgWolf]

1 - I don't speak for other people, if they have said that take the issue up with them.

2 - I haven't said you're a racist. I've said in the past some of your comments on here came across as racist, you said you aren't racist. Done as far as I'm concerned, not going to dispute it.

I've answered you're question, now answer mine. Why do you think it's ok for you to judge people (like myself) that you don't know, and don't know anything about their circumstances, their past etc?.....and question what they (and I) know about socialising, integrating and living with people from other backgrounds and cultures. Just because people live in "leafy suburbia" does not mean they know fuck all about things. You just make sweeping generalisations about groups of people based on where they live, or where they are from. Why?

When people on here try to wind me up or attempt ridicule without debate, I just go down to their level. They have been just as judgemental towards me. They know nothing about me. So when it descend into 'how can I piss this person off' I can give as good as I get. Can we just move on now please.

 

[ProgWolf]

Because theres plenty in your posts to suggest that you are a racist. Whereas you've accused Leedswolf of:

Yes with Leedswolf I made an exaggerated assumption with no evidence or foundation which I would have thought was obvious. It was my way of answering some of the pathetic comments directed towards me. But Leedswolf knows I didn't really believe that of him. How could I ? I don't know him so how can I judge him ? We should all be careful about what we say about each other. Johnny75 gets away with murder. Is he spared because you agree with his opinions ?

 

[visage]

Are you prepared to withdraw the remark that you concede was made with no evidence or foundation?

This wasnt just a facile accusation either - you accused him of anti-semitism and of agreeing with political violence, amongst other things.

 

[ProgWolf]

Are you prepared to withdraw the remark that you concede was made with no evidence or foundation?

This wasnt just a facile accusation either - you accused him of anti-semitism and of agreeing with political violence, amongst other things.

I've already done it in my last post. Are you happy now sweetheart ?

 

[Johnny75]

Yes with Leedswolf I made an exaggerated assumption with no evidence or foundation which I would have thought was obvious. It was my way of answering some of the pathetic comments directed towards me. But Leedswolf knows I didn't really believe that of him. How could I ? I don't know him so how can I judge him ? We should all be careful about what we say about each other. Johnny75 gets away with murder. Is he spared because you agree with his opinions ?

Anybody that has been on these boards for any length of time would know that Vis and I don't sit on the same side of the political spectrum but do agree largely over remaining in Europe.

Please don't moan about being called this and that after some of the insults you've thrown mine (and others) way and I have responded to many a Brexit poster in the same way I have been attacked, I am wrong in some cases and proved correct in others. A case in point would be your racism towards certain communities, your attack on anybody that doesn't live in a working class area and anybody who deigns to disagree with your stance on Europe. I am maybe to coarse for your sensibilities but I will not apologise for calling you racist or thick as that is exactly how you have come across. You can add small minded and jingoistic to that too. And I don't think I've ever called you a pig, a cunt yes but not a pig

So you go watching where you fling those bits of rock next time.

 

[Penk Wolf]

How many 'brown' people are actually trying to get here from the EU? Although I'm not sure what it has to do with skin colour, but are you not talking more about immigrants that came here in the 60s rather than the 00s?

 

[visage]

I think we're reaching the point where we'll have to close these threads permanently, or take measures to ensure they remain civil.

The mod team will have a chat and let you all know what we decide.

 

[ProgWolf]

Anybody that has been on these boards for any length of time would know that Vis and I don't sit on the same side of the political spectrum but do agree largely over remaining in Europe.

Please don't moan about being called this and that after some of the insults you've thrown mine (and others) way and I have responded to many a Brexit poster in the same way I have been attacked, I am wrong in some cases and proved correct in others. A case in point would be your racism towards certain communities, your attack on anybody that doesn't live in a working class area and anybody who deigns to disagree with your stance on Europe. I am maybe to coarse for your sensibilities but I will not apologise for calling you racist or thick as that is exactly how you have come across. You can add small minded and jingoistic to that too. And I don't think I've ever called you a pig, a cunt yes but not a pig

So you go watching where you fling those bits of rock next time.

Fuck you, you arrogant cunt. Your come uppance is drawing ever closer.

Not from anyone on here. But people like you always get their come uppance sooner or later. I only wish I could be there to see it. You must be soooo pissed off today. The day you thought would never come. I am so happy. Try not to wallow in your pathetic fuckin misery for too long you little shit. If this post gets me banned as it surely will as I'm not Vis's rent boy, it will be so worth it. Sweet dreams pumpkin xx

 

[visage]

And on that note.

 

[visage]

Re-opened. Prog is permanently Excluded, and Johnny has been given 3 days off.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

"In her letter on Wednesday triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, Theresa May suggested cooperation with the EU on the fight against crime and terror was at risk if Britain did not agree an overall Brexit deal within the two year time limit."

What a fucking disgrace that is. She should be fucking ashamed to play with peoples safety, and lives in order to protect her own interests.

She won't be though.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

The EU will want a financial figure fixed before proceeding. They know the clock
is ticking and they hold most of the Aces and Royal cards. Even with the imbalance between exports and imports the UK will suffer more Than the EU,especially if Germany offers support to other countries. The security issue is one of our few high cards and Im surprised May has shown her hand so soon.

If there is no deal the EU will probably pick up exports to those countries we currently trade with under an agreement we have as part of the EU and wil lose upon leaving, another reason the balance of trade is not as much in our favour as Brexiteers seem to think.

 

[lemonjelly]

From the FT:
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/brexiters-must-lose-if-brexit-is-to-succeed/ar-BByXl3J?li=BBx1bGE&ocid=mailsignout

Reaching a deal is a necessity. This is most obviously true for economic reasons: seeking to obtain better market access from relatively unimportant markets, while suffering a large deterioration in the terms of access to the UK’s most important markets, would be ludicrous. Failure to reach a deal on money owed, treatment of persons, shared institutions, the nature of future trade arrangements and the transition to them would poison future relations. Britain would be the bigger loser: the impact on Scotland might be terminal for the UK. Yet the effect of a brutal divorce on the EU would also be large.

If a deal is to be reached, the UK, as the weaker party will need to make concessions, starting with the money owed. That is not only the sensible thing to do. It is the right thing to do. The country has obligations that come from more than four decades of membership. As a civilised and trustworthy country it must fulfil them.

Found this section really hard hitting:

Only someone ignorant of history would dream that Europe would be more prosperous, stable, influential, democratic and liberal if the EU shattered into 28 national pieces. The system of nation states has repeatedly proved unstable. In this case, with the US increasingly withdrawn, the EU’s collapse might lead to a struggle for hegemony between Germany and Russia or, worse, a pact between them at the expense of weaker neighbours. If the EU does survive, as I hope, Germany will dominate. The Germans do not want this. Why do the British?


Yet Brexit is going to happen, thanks to David Cameron’s folly in agreeing to the referendum, mismanaging the negotiations and bungling the terms of the referendum itself. Going through with Brexit is not a constitutional necessity; the referendum is not binding. But it is a political one: the Conservative party would shatter without it.