REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[thehistorymakers]

Farage gone. I just adore this 'create a mess and walk away from the aftermath' approach to politics. Treating it as if it's a game, it sickens me.

The only man who walked away was Cameron, who after losing decided to have a tantrum. Instead of being a steady ship and start the process of exiting the EU, he left leaving uncertainty and the country with out a leader who can make decisions.

Farage on the other hand, had achieved what he set out to do.

 

[visage]

We've left the EU have we?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Also, the nerve of this fucking cunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-a-plan-for-brexit---heres-mine-in-5-points/

You're a lot better at pejorative sneers than you are policy, Boris.

 

[thehistorymakers]

We've left the EU have we?

We voted for it.

 

[visage]

Thats not what I asked.

 

[Dinowolf]

We've left the EU have we?

No. Not yet.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Thats not what I asked.

If we don't leave after we have voted to leave, it will be a travesty of justice. We are a respected democracy throughout the world, gerrymandering a situation through the media, social media and in the parliament, to not to respect the democratic result of the referendum, would make us look like a weak corrupt democracy.

 

[Penk Wolf]

I am 63, I have a huge amount of experience in life and many other fields, by what the fuck can i contribute at my age???

You won the vote, you must have a huuuuuuge hard on, but now can you post a fact instead of this imaginary new world you hope to live in.

To be fair, if anybody could quote a fact about the future whether in the remain or leave camp then they have a good crystal ball. It's all based on opinion not fact and remain believe the Country will be better in the EU where as leave don't.

 

[Tom Hark]

Why is prime minister written without capitalisation of the P and M?

It's just a job title, like a manager or a doctor or a king. Doesn't require special treatment.

 

[visage]

If we don't leave after we have voted to leave, it will be a travesty of justice. We are a respected democracy throughout the world, gerrymandering a situation through the media, social media and in the parliament, to not to respect the democratic result of the referendum, would make us look like a weak corrupt democracy.

What if we vote leave and then subsequently vote to reamin, either explicitly in a 2nd referendum, or implicity by voting for a party in a GE with a manifesto commitment to disregard the first one?

 

[thehistorymakers]

What if we vote leave and then subsequently vote to reamin, either explicitly in a 2nd referendum, or implicity by voting for a party in a GE with a manifesto commitment to disregard the first one?

Then have another referendum, when leave don't like the result? It was a cup final. You can't ask for a replay because you lost!

Cameron left, leaving a void an uncertainty, about when we will leave. It was an open invitation to attack the pound. Giving the money men the opportunity to frighten the public so much, it would shift opinion. This is playing with democracy, an invitation to ruin our economy more, so they could change a democratic result.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

If we don't leave after we have voted to leave, it will be a travesty of justice. We are a respected democracy throughout the world, gerrymandering a situation through the media, social media and in the parliament, to not to respect the democratic result of the referendum, would make us look like a weak corrupt democracy.

We are a representative democracy - that is a key but overlooked fact.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Also, the nerve of this fucking cunt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-a-plan-for-brexit---heres-mine-in-5-points/

You're a lot better at pejorative sneers than you are policy, Boris.

If that twat becomes pm, I'm off to Vietnam, the day after.

 

[thehistorymakers]

We are a representative democracy - that is a key but overlooked fact.

We vote every so many years for politicians to represent us. The party that won the general election promised us a referendum. They we had a free vote, Remain or leave, leave won. There always was a majority of MP's who favoured remain. The people democratically voted to leave. Why ask the people to vote and cause such turmoil and division, if you aren't going to respect the democratic outcome?

I repeat, we are respected throughout the world, for our fairness in our democratic process. If this doesn't happen, we will look more like Venazuela than the UK.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

We vote every so many years for politicians to represent us. The party that won the general election promised us a referendum. They we had a free vote, Remain or leave, leave won. There always was a majority of MP's who favoured remain. The people democratically voted to leave. Why ask the people to vote and cause such turmoil and division, if you aren't going to respect the democratic outcome?

I repeat, we are respected throughout the world, for our fairness in our democratic process. If this doesn't happen, we will look more like Venazuela than the UK.

You make a fair point but we do not govern by referenda, the outcome of this referendum is advisory not a democratic mandate. It is the government who makes these decisions and while they would suffer the consequences of ignoring the outcome all this hyperbole about democracy ignores the fact that referenda are not a particularly important feature of our democratic system

 

[thehistorymakers]

You make a fair point but we do not govern by referenda, the outcome of this referendum is advisory not a democratic mandate. It is the government who makes these decisions and while they would suffer the consequences of ignoring the outcome all this hyperbole about democracy ignores the fact that referenda are not a particularly important feature of our democratic system

You are a very good political poster on this forum. You are pretty clear about your political views and principles, I respect that!

If I had voted to stay and leave won, I would be disgusted if the democratic will of the people was overturned. Not only that, the way that Cameron jumped ship, leaving a void, allowing the pound top be attacked, followed by the unecaserry statement from the bank of England, playing us down and further inviting attacks on the pound, have been shameful.!!! It appears this is being done to change the mind of voters and cause discontent and uncertainty amongst the leave voters and then have a few BBC poles saying the majority of leave voters don't want to leave now. That is what it looks like the establishment behind the remain camp are doing. I do hope you wouldn't condone this.

Of course the uncertainty of who will be the new PM and when article 50 will be invoked gives open ground to attack our currency and pilfer from us. Of course it will be the poor and low paid who will be asked to pay for it.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

You are a very good political poster on this forum. You are pretty clear about your political views and principles, I respect that!

If I had voted to stay and leave won, I would be disgusted if the democratic will of the people was overturned. Not only that, the way that Cameron jumped ship, leaving a void, allowing the pound top be attacked, followed by the unecaserry statement from the bank of England, playing us down and further inviting attacks on the pound, have been shameful.!!! It appears this is being done to change the mind of voters and cause discontent and uncertainty amongst the leave voters and then have a few BBC poles saying the majority of leave voters don't want to leave now. That is what it looks like the establishment behind the remain camp are doing. I do hope you wouldn't condone this.

Of course the uncertainty of who will be the new PM and when article 50 will be invoked gives open ground to attack our currency and pilfer from us. Of course it will be the poor and low paid who will be asked to pay for it.

What do you make of the legal action being taken to ensure that Parliament is consulted before Article 50 is triggered?

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[thehistorymakers]

What do you make of the legal action being taken to ensure that Parliament is consulted before Article 50 is triggered?

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Trying to overturn the democratic process and the will of the electorate. You never heard this mentioned before the referendum. It was a free vote, remain or leave. This is just trying to get a result off the pitch, that they didn't win on it.

 

[Kenny]

Trying to overturn the democratic process and the will of the electorate. You never heard this mentioned before the referendum. It was a free vote, remain or leave. This is just trying to get a result off the pitch, that they didn't win on it.

What are your views on those who have come out and said they voted Leave based on the "facts and promises" that have since been withdrawn, leaving those who believed them feeling conned?

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

I disagree, there's obviously a legal problem here in that the referendum's result is not legally binding and therefore the PM has no authority to trigger Article 50.

I think that it's better to get the constitutional argument out of the way as quickly as possible rather than complicate things later.

The real problem would be if Parliament decided not to trigger as their legitimacy would be undermined. You might then have all sorts of upheaval, the likes of which only a GM could sort out in order to get that legitimacy back.