REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Dinowolf]

Without a doubt the focus will always be on making money. That's the war machine. It's very profitable.

I am very much for cutting expenditure on weapons.

There is no threat from anybody if you don't attack. That's media manipulation.

I'll be nice and just say that I don't agree with that at all.

Tell that to friends and families of those aid workers who were beheaded by Daesh.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Dino - can you do the four points as well? Or point me to the post if I missed it? Want to try and get some stuff together for starting this debate. I think it is important that everyone recognises this is happening so seeing what the forum thinks is important in the upcoming negotiations could be really good shit. I just need people to buy into to it as an idea!

 

[thehistorymakers]

Universities fees abolished, more apprenticeships to train our young. It is ludicrous that we are pricing young people out of studying for a profession and having to rely on bringing people in to the UK, to fill the gaps.

 

[Boozad]

How the fuck do you send everybody to university for free?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's free in Germany now.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Don't criticise yet. This is about building up everyones thoughts for debate.

 

[Boozad]

Not criticising, seriously wondering how the fuck you'd do it. The German way of doing things is obviously at the opposite end of the spectrum to how we do.

 

[thehistorymakers]

How the $#@! do you send everybody to university for free?

I didn't say everyone. Anybody who can contribute to society, shouldn't be priced out of going to university, because he doesn"t come from a wealthy family.

 

[Doctor Doog]

Universities fees abolished, more apprenticeships to train our young. It is ludicrous that we are pricing young people out of studying for a profession and having to rely on bringing people in to the UK, to fill the gaps.

It's much more complex than that. Abolishing fees alone wouldn't lead to British universities being able to produce enough graduates of the right calibre to meet the needs of industry. You would also need engagement and a reverse in the current decline in secondary education. Good university teaching is dependant on having the best academics, who in turn are attracted by research funding. The first priority needs to be to ensure that any lost EU funding is replaced.

 

[Papper]

Somebody once said rich thick kids achieve more than poor clever ones and that is a sad indictment of our society.

The basis of any society should be equality (in terms of empowerment) within a meritocracy.

No point churning out people with massive debts and meaningless qualifications and there would be no point funding meaningless qualifications.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

You already have my views. But I would add that ANY brexit plan MUST be accompanied by a plan to improve the infrastructure of the UK to make it fit for the numbers we have with regard to schools , roads , NHS , public transport and Housing.

On the latter I would also state that ALL social housing new build must come with a renewable energy option such as solar panels on the roof to keep bills down and keep greenhouse gasses down. This will also help with utility payments if the person renting is on benefits. I estimate ( very roughly) that they would pay for themselves within 5 years at current rates so its not a huge extra investment but would then ( having about a 25 years lifespan give 20 years where it saves the government money and the tenant money. Thats a win win but its a detail project rather than a headline

The other thing I would like to investigate is log cabin builds on brownfield and certain green belt areas. The reason is that they are cheap to build ( 20-30 k per cabin fully built and insulated) and can be almost fire proofed now. Another very good alternative to house building particularly for renters or first time buyers. Yiou can get a mortgage up to 70% on some log cabins. I would do that leasehold so the land remains the countries and therefore another income generator. Lets face it if you get a house for 40k and then have to pay ground rent of 300 a month its still dirt cheap. Another detail project but one that would be very very quick to implement.

Increase the allowable wattage on electric bikes to 500 w. That would enable an electric bike to do up to 25 mph. That is 5 mph faster than the average speed of a commuter driving in a number of our major cities in rush hour.The average mileage range of such a bike at 30 miles per charge is higher than the 250w current limit and allow anyone over 16 to have one without the need for a licence. Public liability insurance mandatory and available from the government in case of accident. This would encourage more adults to cycle to work. The average commute is constantly increasing but it is estimated most rural places are within 10 miles of a train station. It would encourage greater fitness , reduce gasses and reduce the need for second cars thereby helping reduce monthly costs for people. Again its a detail not a headline. Lots of people wont cycle too far as its too much effort. Electric bikes are now much lighter and the extra power is a very easy option. The cost is £800 to £1000 but easily covered by the government cycle to work scheme that already exists.

If you implemented all three of those while negotiating Brexit families could well be better off significantly and pressure on housing and transport eased in built up areas.

I may be a brexiter but I do not consider myself stupid or socially irresponsible. I am committed to recycling, animal welfare, reducing carbons and greenhouse gases and approve of any ways to get better value public transport, better roads and more usable housing owned by the state to stop unscrupulous landlords ripping the arse out of it in major cities.

All very lamentable mate (and I agree with a lot of it) but the EU were pushing hard for things like renewable energy targets by 2020 regarding solar and wind power etc with fines for countries if the targets were not achieved which is why windfarms and solar panels are flying up around the place, and wasn't part of the leave campaign was that this was total bollocks and getting rid of all this climate change and targetds stuff (I must admit only heard this 3rd hand so open to correction)?

(Oh god I think I have just crossed the Climate Change and Referendum Threads!!)

 

[Deleted Cyber]

All very lamentable mate (and I agree with a lot of it) but the EU were pushing hard for things like renewable energy targets by 2020 regarding solar and wind power etc with fines for countries if the targets were not achieved which is why windfarms and solar panels are flying up around the place, and wasn't part of the leave campaign was that this was total bollocks and getting rid of all this climate change and targetds stuff (I must admit only heard this 3rd hand so open to correction)?

(Oh god I think I have just crossed the Climate Change and Referendum Threads!!)

Quite possibly as Gove has been sceptical prior to the campaign. However I feel that the suggestions also have merit to give some extra state income and reduce state dependency in some cases and hitting climate change target is a desirable biproduct

 

[Dinowolf]

I looked at those G-Tech electric bikes that are advertised on TV.

When I inspected the manual, I found the maximum weight of the rider is 85kgs, (13st 5lbs)

I haven't been that weight since my heyday, and then I thought, that back then I wanted to peddle everywhere to keep me fit.
Makes me wonder who's their target market.

 

[Bit on the shaggies]

Quite possibly as Gove has been sceptical prior to the campaign. However I feel that the suggestions also have merit to reside sdsdtaste income and reduce stasstaste do pendancy in some cases and hitting climate change target is a desirable biproduct

Has your auto correct been drinking meths?

 

[Parkins left foot]

Quite possibly as Gove has been sceptical prior to the campaign. However I feel that the suggestions also have merit to reside sdsdtaste income and reduce stasstaste do pendancy in some cases and hitting climate change target is a desirable biproduct

Has your auto correct been drinking meths?

Either that or Cyber has :icon_biggrin:

 

[Johnny75]

Has your auto correct been drinking meths?

I thought it just had a stutter

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I looked at those G-Tech electric bikes that are advertised on TV.

When I inspected the manual, I found the maximum weight of the rider is 85kgs, (13st 5lbs)

I haven't been that weight since my heyday, and then I thought, that back then I wanted to peddle everywhere to keep me fit.
Makes me wonder who's their target market.

I am 104 kg at 1.86 m! My electric bike is a cycla matic and copes fine. You have to do a bit of peddling that's all.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Has your auto correct been drinking meths?

Sorry guys its the fucking tablet auto spell. Its a nightmare

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I didn't say everyone. Anybody who can contribute to society, shouldn't be priced out of going to university, because he doesn"t come from a wealthy family.

I am 63, I have a huge amount of experience in life and many other fields, by what the fuck can i contribute at my age???

You won the vote, you must have a huuuuuuge hard on, but now can you post a fact instead of this imaginary new world you hope to live in.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Evwrybody can contribute to society THM, who are we killing now in your eutopia?