REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[thehistorymakers]

I guess this is my point - for all the talk about democracy, the referendum risks running rough shod over our democracy. In a representative democracy it is parliament that makes these decisions. I believe that parliament should proceed on the basis of the outcome despite the fact that the majority in the chambers would favour remain but it is absolutely imperative that parliament does it properly otherwise our democracy is overturned.

I knew you would say that, respect!

 

[Dinowolf]

I guess this is my point - for all the talk about democracy, the referendum risks running rough shod over our democracy. In a representative democracy it is parliament that makes these decisions. I believe that parliament should proceed on the basis of the outcome despite the fact that the majority in the chambers would favour remain but it is absolutely imperative that parliament does it properly otherwise our democracy is overturned.

I think you'll find they've already legislated over this.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I think you'll find they've already legislated over this.

Where?

 

[leedswolf]

Leeds, put all our tiffs behind us. Would you protest if the will of the people to leave was overturned and ignored in this way?

I would be concerned if parliament didn't reflect the 'will' of the people.

 

[Dinowolf]

Please compare the European Union Referendum Act 2015, which authorised the recent referendum with the Parliamentary Voting and Constituencies Act 2011.

S.8 of the latter is specific about the outcome being legally binding.

However, it's good that Mischon de Reya and the unnamed businessmen they represent are challenging now, so that another barrier can be removed before Art. 50 is enacted.

 

[leedswolf]

More like you don't like losing and can't accept the will of the people. Cameron says the result stands, Corbyn says it stands and Clegg said it would stand even if leave won, before the the day of the referendum. Do all those leaders not know the rule of law?

The rule of law has nothing to do with their statements or intents. The rule of law determines that parliament changes parliamentary law.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Please compare the European Union Referendum Act 2015, which authorised the recent referendum with the Parliamentary Voting and Constituencies Act 2011.

S.8 of the latter is specific about the outcome being legally binding.

However, it's good that Mischon de Reya and the unnamed businessmen they represent are challenging now, so that another barrier can be removed before Art. 50 is enacted.

OK, I have now compared them. The PVC Act (the referendum on whether to introduce PR) has specific wording which makes the outcome of the referendum binding. I did not find anything similar in the EUR Act.

 

[Dinowolf]

OK, I have now compared them. The PVC Act (the referendum on whether to introduce PR) has specific wording which makes the outcome of the referendum binding. I did not find anything similar in the EUR Act.

That was Parliaments permission for the specific Referendum to take place, and the mechanism, as per PVC Act.

 

[Premier Quality]

It would be astounding if Parliament voted against out.

Personally I wouldn't support them, but at the same time I wouldn't bet against them doing it.

Incidentally, I have no idea where all this goes, I just think that the next PM has to tread very carefully in order to avoid future legal complications.

They won't do that, its all hot air and a few stroppy idiots Like lammy. Parliament will vote it through rather than look completely elitist and anti democratic.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I would be concerned if parliament didn't reflect the 'will' of the people.

Decent reply.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

OK, I have now compared them. The PVC Act (the referendum on whether to introduce PR) has specific wording which makes the outcome of the referendum binding. I did not find anything similar in the EUR Act.

Maybe I am being a bit dense but I don't get what you mean. The PVC Act contained specific measures to enforce the result of the referendum, the EUR Act doesn't appear to have such measures.

 

[Lycan]

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The basis of our democratic system is that a member of parliament is elected to represent the constituents in the area they serve. I fully accept that with a party political system it tends to be parties rather than people who voters vote for but whatever it gives the elected member a mandate to represent the overall majority will of their constituents. However the current members of parliament are split about 150 leave 500 remain, roughly. What they should do now is exactly what Sturgeon has done and say they will represent the will of their constituents. That way even though they supporter remain, they can build that bridge . It is unworkable that either the government or the opposition will be made up completely of brexiters. It just wont happen. To smooth the passage MPs need to draw a line on the result and start linking themselves back to the people who elected them. This was not a party vote. It was a 2 choice free vote referendum. Now is the time to negotiate with the EU on our exit and compromise how best we leave the EU with effective input from all sides. The result cannot change. By making this link to the grass roots of our political system it will help restore faith on both sides. There is scepticism on the leave voter that their MP will not be effectively representing their wishes if they were a remain supporter. Quashing that restores order and confidence. Here is the map showing the country break down



One of the big problems is the size of the majority. 4% is a small difference. The will of the majority has to be respected and out we go but it must be done with dignity and respect for those who voted remain and those elected officials who wanted to remain. But the overall duty is to stop talking about another referendum but to get on with the job in hand.

 

[Tredman]

£ is still tanking, down another cent today already:

 

[leedswolf]

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/07/05/government-refuses-to-guarantee-eu-builders-can-stay/

 

[thehistorymakers]

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2016/07/05/government-refuses-to-guarantee-eu-builders-can-stay/

Not a loaded question, but why haven't enough young people in the UK been put through apprenticeships? Where I stay, when I'm in the UK, there are housing estates growing in every direction, towards surrounding villages. I stay in the south and friends of mine, kids can't get a building apprenticeship for love nor money. Many of the builders who come to my town travel from London every day. Often they are eastern European and quite a few Asian.
Is the case that construccion companies are wanting their cake and eating it. House prices are shooting up in my area.Cheap labour and no investment in youth apprenticeships. I would agree, that I live in the South, in a London overspill, but this has definitely led to people being fed up in my area. High house prices, cheap Labour and no work or future for the young!

 

[Jolemai]

Not a loaded question, but why haven't enough young people in the UK been put through apprenticeships?

Ask the government. Also, most would rather doss at uni than do hard work.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Ask the government. Also, most would rather doss at uni than do hard work.

This cult of anti-intellectualism is growing and it's not healthy.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

This cult of anti-intellectualism is growing and it's not healthy.

But neither is a system where pretty much every student has the chance to stay on for for education rather than trade training. I don't get how there can be such disparity? You have to feel that trade training would be a good option to have earlier in the general education process.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I agree. The apprenticeship system is broken and our education system doesn't feed into the employment market anywhere near well enough. But I take issue with university education being dismissed. 'Sick of hearing from experts' is a shocking thing for a senior Government minister to say.