REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Deleted Cyber]

I agree. The apprenticeship system is broken and our education system doesn't feed into the employment market anywhere near well enough. But I take issue with university education being dismissed. 'Sick of hearing from experts' is a shocking thing for a senior Government minister to say.

I fear we will of nd up with Theresa May! I think the candidates being put forward make the USA elections look reasonable! Regardless of political views the common feeling must be that the politicians have abdicated responsibility. The only one who really had to go was Cameron but Garage too knew his time was up. Leadstrom could do it but I don't know enough tbf

 

[Sniffer]

I know that the country is already in a state of political turmoil over the referendum but really a general election should be called.

Nobody would have walked to the ballot box at the last election thinking that sly Fox, curious Crabb, May well want to be, Loathsome or god forbid Gove would be leading the country after a Brexit vote. Those wishing for the mandate for the leave vote to be carried through should also be asking the question of where is the mandate for any of the above.

 

[Johnny75]

You realise the Labour party would lose miserably if there was a GE?

Corbyn isn't a leader and the PLP know it. A GE would be political suicide for the Labour Party.

 

[Sniffer]

You realise the Labour party would lose miserably if there was a GE?

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I do yes, even with a change of leader.

 

[Johnny75]

I do yes, even with a change of leader.

I happen to think we need a really strong opposition to counter some of the generally fuckery of the overtly right wing Tories if May or Leadsome get in. And I would like there to be some robust arguments put forward (this may come as a surprise to some).

So far I've seen some cockend from Momentum, Tim 'nice' Farron and Red Len McClusky who seem to be the only opposition. That is not healthy at all. I want a GE to be contested by the parties not outside influences.

 

[So Long Architect]

In the meantime, the pound continues to fall and both Standard Life and Aviva have suspended property portfolios due to a rush of withdrawals. I imagine those will be funds that the pensions of "ordinary, decent, hard-working people" are invested in.

 

[Jolemai]

HaveIGotNewsForYou ‏@haveigotnews 39m39 minutes ago

After UK votes to 'take back control', 330 Tory MPs decide which 2 candidates 0.2% of the population will vote for to be PM.

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[Deleted Cyber]

I know that the country is already in a state of political turmoil over the referendum but really a general election should be called.

Nobody would have walked to the ballot box at the last election thinking that sly Fox, curious Crabb, May well want to be, Loathsome or god forbid Gove would be leading the country after a Brexit vote. Those wishing for the mandate for the leave vote to be carried through should also be asking the question of where is the mandate for any of the above.

I agree. A ge now would give a hung parliament. Those brexiters worried about backtracking would go UKip. Those remainders wanting moderation lib or lab. Still a con government but with thirty less MPs. That will do nicely. Checks and balances and all that.Will stand as an sdp candidate myself somewhere. What are my chances? Zero to nil?

 

[lemonjelly]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36712550

 

[thehistorymakers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36712550

What a nasty man he is. Completely out of touch with reality. Dave Cameron jumped ship, he called the referendum. Instead of starting the process of implementing the will of the British people, he stalls the process by calling a Conservative leadership vote. This takes months, meanwhile the markets attack the pound. Farage is not a leader of the elected government and Boris was asked not to stand. This problem was caused by Cameron and then after losing, was made worst by Cameron.
Juncker wants to get his own house in order, before he interferes in our democratic process. He should be looking at EU debt and especially the financial problems of Greece and Italy.
The man's intervention, was childish and nasty. He is trying to bully and make things difficult for Britain, to disencouage other EU countries trying to leave the EU. Sad how British people have been indoctrinated to support such greedy, interfering and undemocratic people who run the EU, over our democracy.

 

[Tony Towner]

£ taking another slapping this morning, now below $1.30 and €1.17

 

[Penk Wolf]

My new order has cost me £6.5k more than it would have done pre-referendum.

I wonder how much import duty and V.A.T the Government will gain on all this?

 

[Jolemai]

Why were no contingency plans made for Brexit? Foreign Sec Philip Hammond: “I’m not sure that I see the need."

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Hammond says if they’d made plans & they had been leaked, it would have been seen as an “unwarranted intervention” in the #EUref campaign

Foreign Secretary answers Brexit questions http://bbc.in/29BxWkC via @BBCNews

 

[So Long Architect]

 

[Tredman]

Well Brexit has achieved one thing at least:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gentine-peso-to-become-2016-s-worst-performer

We have the world's worst performing currency in 2016. We're even kicking the Zim Dollars ass at being crap.

 

[Dublin Drummer Wolf]

Well Brexit has achieved one thing at least:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gentine-peso-to-become-2016-s-worst-performer

We have the world's worst performing currency in 2016. We're even kicking the Zim Dollars ass at being crap.

It's true. I'm going to London in a few weeks, so I bought sterling yesterday - £400 cost me €478, so just under €120 buys £100. Anyone who's been to Ireland knows that £100 buys you a lot more than €120 does.

 

[thehistorymakers]

According to the President of the IMF, it is the uncertainty which is causing problems. If there is uncertainty, that is down to Cameron and his decision to stand down and have an election for a new leader in his party. It looks like there will be a new leader, from the remain camp, who thinks exactly the same as him. It seems like the 3 months gap, is an orchestrated plan, to give time, for our currency to be scavenged and enough fear to be put in to the nation to regret their democratic decision.
The markets are castigating the UK, because they don't want us to leave the EU and are trying to reverse our democtatic decision. It surprises me to see socialists backing the investment banks, IMF and stock markets, who are attacking our currency. I would have thought that the stock markets would have been seen as the real enemy of true socialism!

 

[thehistorymakers]

It's true. I'm going to London in a few weeks, so I bought sterling yesterday - £400 cost me €478, so just under €120 buys £100. Anyone who's been to Ireland knows that £100 buys you a lot more than €120 does.

You buy more pounds with your Euros, so you are better off.

 

[Tony Towner]

According to the President of the IMF, it is the uncertainty which is causing problems. If there is uncertainty, that is down to Cameron and his decision to stand down and have an election for a new leader in his party. It looks like there will be a new leader, from the remain camp, who thinks exactly the same as him. It seems like the 3 months gap, is an orchestrated plan, to give time, for our currency to be scavenged and enough fear to be put in to the nation to regret their democratic decision.
The markets are castigating the UK, because they don't want us to leave the EU and are trying to reverse our democtatic decision. It surprises me to see socialists backing the investment banks, IMF and stock markets, who are attacking our currency. I would have thought that the stock markets would have been seen as the real enemy of true socialism!

The uncertainty has nothing to do with Cameron's resignation. The uncertainty is about where Britain will be in the next few years economically, not who the PM will be. Most economists / commentators agree that if he has begun negotiations or triggered article 50 straight away then the £ would have sunk even lower than it has. Seems bizarre to me for Brexiters to blame Remainers for what has happened to the £ since the vote.

 

[Sniffer]

So there is no uncertainty in not knowing how are trading relationship with Europe and the rest if the world will work?