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Oliver Robbins has been appointed as the head of the new EU Unit in the Cabinet Office.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ted-to-lead-the-new-eu-unit-in-cabinet-office

Oliver will have responsibility for supporting Cabinet in the examination of options for our future relationship outside the EU, with Europe, and the rest of the world as well as responsibility for the wider European and Global Issues Secretariat.

The unit will also draw on the very best talent from across the Civil Service as the Prime Minister set out on Monday.
 
Visage said:
Pre brexit, Credit Suisse were forceasting UK GDP growth of 2.3% next year, now they're predicting a 1% reduction.

That 3.3% swing represents about 70 billion pounds.

Still, that 350m quid, eh?
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People are about as good at predicting the economy as they are the weather.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
You have to remember Germany regularly has small parties who through PR get a minor share in a coalition. But their ability to influence things is more often than not negligible.
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but at least those who vote for them have some sort of voice unlike our first past the post system. Hardly causes that much instability either. In our current situation I would have thought a coalition of partners would have been ideal to negotiate a pathway through the political minefield that is Brexit. It will take a brave politician to agree PR here though and an even braver one to suggest another referendum on it. I believe thats it for referendums in my lifetime with the exception of independance ones should Sturgeon really think she can win. The people who voted for Boatymacboatface and Brexit will never be trusted to make the decision again.
 
The EU is not fatally doomed. It may well be doomed in its current format. The brexit vote has ignited feeling that already existed. France has 61% against the EU in its current format. Even Germany was as high as 48%. Greece is 71% anti EU and thats not surprising given the right royal shafting they have had ( should never have been allowed to join though) https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/jun/23/is-britain-most-eurosceptic-country

There are significant things wrong with the Lisbon treaty. For many countries it was a step to far. For the UK it was 2 steps too far, to soon. All that Brexit has done so far is to put a very large sleeping policeman in front of the EU vehicle and cause it to slow down, or even stop before proceeding. It may even need to take an alternative route. In the long term I am positive history will show that the actions of the UK were a catalyst for positive change that made the EU more democratic and stronger while enabling the obvious need for individual country identity. It will be years until I am proved right or wrong. I have had concerns about the EU since maastrict. I wanted us out after we correctly did not join the single currency. That's 20 years I have been waiting and I believe there are many moderate people like me who thought the same and saw this as a true once in a voting lifetime chance.
It has been a week now since we went to the polls. There are signs that a few ducks are being lined up in rows in the markets. The british public by and large are still spending money and buying what they were buying before last thursday ( early days but little change in sales so far). The fallout has been huge. However even those countries across the world who did not agree with the vote result have given begrudging respect to the country for doing it. I believe on a human level that will help make trading agreements and trading decisions easier for all to negotiate. Sure we wont get an easy deal but there will be pressure from EU businesses on those negotiating for the EU to ensure Britain gets a reasonable deal because they want to continue trading and its in their and our interests to continue trading.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I wouldn't think so. Any say they have in government would be likely to be extremely minor.
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I struggle to see it. They are a throwback to the horrible part of 1970s UK, The part where you say you could say you think John Barnes is an ok footballer but you wouldn't want him as a neighbour, or express outrage for Kinder chocolate featuring non-white kids on the packet. Direct-democracy racist fascists.
 
On another note, leading Leave donor wants considers a new party. I'm gobsmacked that people can so blatantly get away with this kind of shot in politics and still find influence.

Banks has been credited with professionalising Ukip’s referendum push through the Leave.EU campaign. He deployed senior executives and staff from his insurance companies and hired the Washington DC political campaign strategy firm Goddard Gunster on a multimillion-pound fee to sharpen its message.

“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

Simply put, remain told the truth, we lied but we don't care, expect more of it.
 
EdgeOfTheAlps said:
On another note, leading Leave donor wants considers a new party. I'm gobsmacked that people can so blatantly get away with this kind of shot in politics and still find influence.

Banks has been credited with professionalising Ukip’s referendum push through the Leave.EU campaign. He deployed senior executives and staff from his insurance companies and hired the Washington DC political campaign strategy firm Goddard Gunster on a multimillion-pound fee to sharpen its message.

“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

Simply put, remain told the truth, we lied but we don't care, expect more of it.
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I think your missing the issue by being so simplistic. Remain scare mongered. They also quoted only the facts that suited the campaign. Let us agree that both sides fought a really nasty underhand and dirty campaign where there were actually very few facts because very few facts were known. Remain arrogantly thought they had it in the bag. I for one was unimpressed with both campaigns but chose my side based on what I believed and what information was available to me realising that there was a lot of conjecture from both sides. It would be naive in my view to think that a hell of a lot of the 17 million who voted leave did not do similar. It is also naive to think in these days of spin, media manipulation and truth bending from politicians of all parties that there will be or can be a totally honesty up front campaign. Leave had thye slogan. Everyone said take back control at the end of every speech whatever their party. Its a strapline that stuck. I repeat for me its the right result but I agree there are people who voted for the right result for the wrong reasons.
 
Dinowolf said:
Oliver Robbins has been appointed as the head of the new EU Unit in the Cabinet Office.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ted-to-lead-the-new-eu-unit-in-cabinet-office

Oliver will have responsibility for supporting Cabinet in the examination of options for our future relationship outside the EU, with Europe, and the rest of the world as well as responsibility for the wider European and Global Issues Secretariat.

The unit will also draw on the very best talent from across the Civil Service as the Prime Minister set out on Monday.
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And that is supposed to fill me with confidence and give others hope? I guess we wont get a straight answer anytime soon if he runs to form. http://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-thrown-out-commons-committee-ordered-return
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
You have to remember Germany regularly has small parties who through PR get a minor share in a coalition. But their ability to influence things is more often than not negligible.
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Their is no requirement to form a coalition. No party will ever form a coalition with the AfD - I repeat ever. There is more chance of the CDU/CSU forming a coalition with the Greens which has already been the case at state level.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Yes, but not as extreme as I actually expected. The Express has been far, far more on the Brexit side. Not to say that the Mail has been callow about their position. More that the Express has been very extreme.
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According to the Express article THM posted a couple of days ago the EU was going making national militaries illegal two days ago. As usual it was a lie.
 
The Gover is standing for tory leadership too

Perhaps Dacre and Murdoch wouldn't support Boris then....
 
The facepalm speaks:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/andriukaitis/blog/thoughts-weareseat123_en

Yesterday, with my fellow EU commissioners, I attended the extraordinary session in the European parliament. Some photos – particularly of my right hand – and videos have spread on social media. You will have seen me grimacing and trying to hide my despair while Nigel Farage spoke.....
I was, and still am, fully with all the British people. I am with all those who voted against financial speculation uncovered in the Panama Papers and with those who voted against unemployment and decreasing standards of living. However, sadly, many votes will have been influenced by the lies spread by some representatives of the leave campaign....Toxic untruths spread by Mr Farage and others, such as claims that money Britain contributes to the EU budget would be used for investments in healthcare, have now been revealed as lies.
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Fucksake. We should use EU nationals living in Briatins as bargaining chips.

Want to hazard a guess which party Lord Pearson represents?
 
Yeah, I don't quite think it'll catch on like 'Brexit' did!

As an aside, whoever came up with the term 'Brexit' is an utter spunktrumpet.
 
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